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Took for the dogs for a swim after work (my work, not theres). We were walking to the stream and passed a lady with her collie. Actually this is the collie that ripped my mum's arm open years ago (being friendly).
Mine were all to heel and I stepped off the path into a layby for her to go past. Oh my, what a song and dance.
'Are mine under control' ...'Yes'
'Could I please put them on leads'...'Yes'.
'Can I make sure they don't lunge'....'Yes'.
Through this conversatiom she had her dog garrotted by the shortest lead. She then said he was nervous and dragged him past me with his front legs pulled off the ground. He was trying to get away from my lot and looked petrified. So did she. Mine sat and did not twitch an ear.
When she had gone past me a decent way I walked on and he then barked at me, very much 'Yeah, and take that and off you go'. She yanked and told him to shut up and he bit her! He actually bit her ankle. I'm sorry but she so asked for it, poor dog!
 
Sounds like she was very anxious and didn't want her dog coming into contact with the others as she knew he would be a problem - whats the issue with her asking you to ensure yours are controlled if she is feeling nervous? (and probably for good reason given she was struggling to handle him).
 
I’m also very anxious, although my technique is to walk off real quick looking back and telling Zak not to worry, the dog isn’t going to hurt you, who’s a good boy, yes you are, good boy, come on puss cat. When you’re that anxious, it’s very difficult to relax. I know I’ve probably exacerbated situations with my nerves. Biting is a last resort, tho, plus why he bite her when she’s the owner? Bit weird. Mine wouldn’t dream of biting me-other people are fair game.
 
Blimey! I’d have decked my dog if it bit me ? but then I wouldn’t have totally raised the odds totally like she did with this situation! Nowt so strange as folk with dogs....

I met a springer when I was out walking yesterday and it quickly became apparent that George terrier really hates springers more than any other breed - I can only assume he was attacked by one at some stage. So I tucked him under my arm, shouting and swearing, apologised to the springer owner as we walked passed with the 3 perfectly behaved hounds and the shouty terrier, and put him on the floor when it was safe to do so (I still don’t trust him not to wriggle out of his harness) If he had bitten me we would have had clear and firm words!!!! He didn’t think of it, his rage was directed at the spaniel
 
SusieT said:
Sounds like she was very anxious and didn't want her dog coming into contact with the others as she knew he would be a problem - whats the issue with her asking you to ensure yours are controlled if she is feeling nervous? (and probably for good reason given she was struggling to handle him).
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You can ask and I do, or rather I’ll say mine isn’t good with dogs. An amazing amount of people then answer that theirs is fine and don’t (or can’t) recall their dog which then creates an issue. Of course, this is my fault, despite mine being on the lead/under control. I can’t blame him if a dog gets up his arse and he reacts.

I’m very happy to stick mine in a sit if someone asks me to keep him out of their way, but so many people don’t want to/don’t think they should have to/think I should only exercise him at home/at midnight on alternate Sundays. On the moon.
 
It was perfectly obvious that mine were under control and I was a fair way off the path. She saw me put the leads on.

The biting was so odd, I think it was like TheresaW's collie biting his lead when he gets stressed, but to actually bite your owner!

LOL at George, I feel like that about springers...:D:p:cool:
 
Redirected aggression - too much anxiety/arousal/frustration, can't get to the cause, the energy gets released on whatever target is nearest. I wouldn't accept it either, but then again I wouldn't have a collie!

In fairness to the person I think probably 95% of dogs put in a sit for me to pass by have ended up breaking that sit (see also: 95% of 'he's just being friendly' dogs) so I don't trust anyone either. I have been known to pick up small dog in these situations which opens up a whole other can of worms.
 
Clodagh said:
It was perfectly obvious that mine were under control and I was a fair way off the path. She saw me put the leads on.

The biting was so odd, I think it was like TheresaW's collie biting his lead when he gets stressed, but to actually bite your owner!

LOL at George, I feel like that about springers...:D:p:cool:
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Oy, cheeky! They’re just not the breed for you! Don’t tell Moobli, but for me, it’s bearded collies, Zak’s nemesis. There are 2 we see locally. Such fun!

Re being in a sit, I would be gobsmacked if mine broke that, it’s very ingrained in them, either with us right next to them or at a social distance.
 
blackcob said:
Redirected aggression - too much anxiety/arousal/frustration, can't get to the cause, the energy gets released on whatever target is nearest. I wouldn't accept it either, but then again I wouldn't have a collie!

In fairness to the person I think probably 95% of dogs put in a sit for me to pass by have ended up breaking that sit (see also: 95% of 'he's just being friendly' dogs) so I don't trust anyone either. I have been known to pick up small dog in these situations which opens up a whole other can of worms.
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My sister's collies do exactly this, if they can't bite the target, they bite her, or each other. Every time I see her dogs I realise how lucky I am with mine. ?
 
I can't really talk, I had to grab one of mine by the scruff of the neck to stop him running out the front gate after a passing dog, cue 'CALL INTERNATIONAL DOG RESCUE, I'M BEING OPPRESSED' plaintive howling, neighbours coming out to look, small children crying etc, and all with the phone in my other hand, prompting other dog owner to say 'wow, you're doing that with one hand' while I'm straddling dog and hissing 'get down the back now and stop being such a baby'.....
 
CorvusCorax said:
I can't really talk, I had to grab one of mine by the scruff of the neck to stop him running out the front gate after a passing dog, cue 'CALL INTERNATIONAL DOG RESCUE, I'M BEING OPPRESSED' plaintive howling, neighbours coming out to look, small children crying etc, and all with the phone in my other hand, prompting other dog owner to say 'wow, you're doing that with one hand' while I'm straddling dog and hissing 'get down the back now and stop being such a baby'.....
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??? Westie knickers does an excellent line in the abused dog yelp/wail, when I do something truly awful to her like..er...taking hold of her harness just as she lines up a dog 10m away to have a pop at (yes she is always on a lead, but takes pleasure in causing chaos from afar by shouting insults at other, usually large, dogs)
 
Definitely a collie thing, albeit mine are roughs not borders but my sable boy does this to the poor blue chap over many things.

I automatically just keep mine on lead if there’s other dogs around—they don’t react to other dogs and would ignore them if off but I think it’s just for my own piece of mind. The amount of people who still let their dog charge up to us is ridiculous, I find myself routinely saying ‘you’re lucky they’re fine’. It once happened not so long ago when walking mine with a friends DDB. She is lovely but not comfortable with strange dogs—she was older when they got her so not sure of the reasoning.

If a ddb tells another dog to sod off, they know about it. Yet we still acquired a cocker and a labradoodle from the same owner when walking our dogs on lead. As he bellowed his dogs from some distance, he still didn’t get the message they weren’t coming back.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
I’m also very anxious, although my technique is to walk off real quick looking back and telling Zak not to worry, the dog isn’t going to hurt you, who’s a good boy, yes you are, good boy, come on puss cat. When you’re that anxious, it’s very difficult to relax. I know I’ve probably exacerbated situations with my nerves. Biting is a last resort, tho, plus why he bite her when she’s the owner? Bit weird. Mine wouldn’t dream of biting me-other people are fair game.
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Could be frustration with re-directed aggression, quite common in uptight, nervy collies.
 
BallyJ said:
this is my Jack Russell all over!!! Touched the electric fence? Go after the pony. Never heard this saying but I’m going to be stealing it
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Par for the course with a lot of Belgian breeding ?

DabDab said:
??? Westie knickers does an excellent line in the abused dog yelp/wail, when I do something truly awful to her like..er...taking hold of her harness just as she lines up a dog 10m away to have a pop at (yes she is always on a lead, but takes pleasure in causing chaos from afar by shouting insults at other, usually large, dogs)
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The irony is if I'd just called him, he'd have come, any restraint at all and he goes off alarming ?
 
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