Dog weeing and pooing overnight!! Help

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Hi all
Its the first time that I have posted on the Dog section of this site but having read a few posts, I am sure that there is someone on here who can advise me, you all seem very knowledgable!
I have a 10 month old bitch, who is the most beautiful, placid dog you could wish for. I have just one problem with her!
She is fed during the week at approximately 7.15/7.30am on dried food and then again in the evening between 6.00/6.30pm when she has dried biscuits with a little meat added in for a treat!
My problem is her toileting during the night. I usually let her out for about 10-15 minutes when I go to bed in the evening about 10.00pm and I am usually up at 7.00am. Every morning when I come down she has either done a wee, a poo or both!! She is house trained at all other times and I dont have any issues with that, she asks to be let out when she wants to go.
The other thing that frustrates me is that at weekends I go to stay with my partner, the bedtimes etc are roughly the same (although if anything I am usually not up until 9.00am, so that is even longer than at home) but she never ever makes any mess over night when we are there!!!! So I KNOW that she can go without the toilet over night!!
What suggestions do you have??????
I tell her off when I get downstairs and there is mess, she knows that she has been naughty as well as she sits on her bed with her back to me when I come through the door (what she does when she has been naughty and knows it LOL).
I am really getting frustrated with it. Like I say, more so as I know that she is able to go over night without making any mess.
Can anyone suggest ANYTHING!
Sorry for long post.
 
I know what you are saying and I agree but its very difficult, particularly when she knows that she has done wrong. I dont really tell her off as such but I do tell her that she has been a naughty girl.... obviously she doesnt take any notice LOL!
 
overworked&underpaid said:
Unfortunately, I am not able to take her out for a walk. I am a single Mum and my little 5 year old is in bed, so cant leave the house! She is walked earlier in the evening.
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Fair enough. How about feeding her earlier, and letting her out earlier (say 9.00pm) and then again before you go to bed.

Do you take away any left over food and water when you go to bed?

How much exercise is she getting generally??
 
She doesn't know she's done wrong - dogs do not think like that. She knows that every time you come downstairs you seem cross with her, so she will giving you appeasing signals to try and avert this, which you are interpreting as guilt. But dogs do not have morals, they don't know right and wrong in that way.

Anyway! Try cutting her evening meal - feed her all she needs in the morning instead, or maybe at midday?
 
amymay said:
Fair enough. How about feeding her earlier, and letting her out earlier (say 9.00pm) and then again before you go to bed.

Do you take away any left over food and water when you go to bed?

How much exercise is she getting generally??
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There is never any food left after her evening meal, so the only thing that I leave down is her water. She is let out at regular intervals through the evening and when she asks, so she is getting plenty of opportunities to go to the loo.
She gets a run in the morning and a walk in the evening.
The same routine is in place at weekends, nothing changes but she is able to hold her business until the morning!
 
I agree with the other, a few things inc feeding earlier may help her hold if you are unable to do that then half the meal or make it a very light meal.
Creating a smaller space to teach/help her to hold, not neccesarily a crate:rolleyes: but maybe a baby pen thats would fit around her bed.
A black out blind incase it the light breaking thats getting her up/a radio on low incase it a noise thats disturbing her. Because it could well be a disturbance thing.
DAP plug in incase she is getting a little stressed.
A walk as suggested may losen her up more for passing a motion as opposed to a potter around the garden:p
Also as spud/LML suggests, its your body language she is picking up on, she does not know what she has done is wrong and associaing the 2, and she now knows the morning routuine, you come down furious;)
Where is she kept when you go to your partners and she holds?
 
CAYLA ... thanks for your suggestions....
Sorry if I have made it sound like I am really angry with her, I can assure you that I am not, I am rather a push over where she is concerned! I dont think that I have painted a very good picture of how I am with her when I come downstairs!
I do not think that she is getting stressed, as I do not hear a peep out of her at night times, she has been brilliant since the day that I had her.
I agree with the walk before bedtime but as mentioned in my previous response to amymay, I am not able to take her out at bedtime.
When we are away, she is kept in the kitchen on her bed (which is transported from home), similar to when she is at home.
I do make a fuss of her as well if she has been good in the mornings but not sure whether that makes any difference.
I really dont want to cage her, only because she is used to having the run of the kitchen but if it will put an end to this then maybe its worth a try.
 
It is a plug in that dispenses an appeasing pheromone that helps calm, it mimics the pheromone released when puppies suckle from the mother.

I would 1st and foremost as suggested feed her earlier and she is that will be enough, you would be surprised at how better thy can hold when feed a bit earlier without that meal on the stomach much later, if not I would then go for the more confined space to teach her to hold once more and start again.
 
overworked&underpaid said:
I know what you are saying and I agree but its very difficult, particularly when she knows that she has done wrong. I dont really tell her off as such but I do tell her that she has been a naughty girl.... obviously she doesnt take any notice LOL!
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She does not "know she has done wrong" its your body language that tells her you are not happy about something.
try feeding her a bit earlier in the evening, cut out the meat if you are feeding a complete food, try taking her out for a short walk last thing at night if you can. you could also try giving her a bigger breakfast and a smaller dinner. Let her out a bit later last thing at night maybe 11pm for a while to see if it makes a differance.
 
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Chloe wasn't clean through the night until about 16months.

I would be crating her. And thinking about all the little differences in routine when she is dry. Xx
 
It sounds as though she just doenst realise she is not meant to go there. When you go to your partners, its a different environment and she has realised that going in that kitchen is wrong.

To me, it looks as though she isnt having a problem with the holding on as much as she just hasnt sussed where she is meant to go.

Personally, I would crate or pen her into a smaller space and restart her toilet training. Do it over a weekend when your partner can watch your child and watch her like a hawk. Loads of praise when she goes outside and gets it right and just ignore it when she gets it wrong.

She could possibly be going because she is worried about you coming down in the mornings. She wont realise you are only unhappy because she has done the toilet in the wrong place. She may have gone because of nerves if she is worrying?
 
You say you let her out at 10 pm, if you don't already it might be worth actually going out in the garden with her and giving her whatever command you use for her and then loads of praise when she does go. If she is out on her own she may just sit by the door waiting to be let in, I do understand how difficult it is being on your own with a young child, I was in the same situation. Also give your kitchen floor a really, really good cleaning, not suggesting it is dirty but if the slightest scent remains it will encourage her to go there.
 
Thank you all very much for your advice. I am slightly worried that I have made a bigger issue of being cross with her and have made it sound like I am nasty to her when she does go during the night!
I shall take all the advice on board and will try limiting her area during the night.
Someone else mentioned about getting hold of a floor cleaner (not sure where from) that will remove all the scent. In fact now I come to think of it, she usually wees in roughly the same area each time!
Thanks again.
 
OP - I awoke this morning thinking about this post.

I wonder if (even though you may not realise it) the dog gets more exercise at the weekend, and so more opportunity for a relaxed 'toilet'. My partner's son's dog does. We have it at the weekend and it has far more exercise with us then when at 'home'. Despite being let out regularly at home - it messes there quite regularly. Never, ever with us though, and that is despite very long lie in's........

I was also thinking about where she goes in the house - and was going to suggest putting some paper down to assist with the clear up. But that may go against best advice - not sure.............
 
Spudlet said:
Anyway! Try cutting her evening meal - feed her all she needs in the morning instead, or maybe at midday?
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I'm suprised to see this advice unchallenged! Some people seemed mortified to hear I was feeding my dogs once a day for much the same reason... none as queer as folk I guess!
 
Kitsune said:
I'm suprised to see this advice unchallenged! Some people seemed mortified to hear I was feeding my dogs once a day for much the same reason... none as queer as folk I guess!
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That just not fair:mad:

Spuds, how dare you suggest that, it's plain cruel;):p

Feel better kitsune?:D


For what it's worth a dog in my household of this age would be on one meal by now anyway:p
 
Kitsune said:
So its NOT bad to feed one meal a day instead of two? I can never keep up!
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Depends who you are talking to/taking advice from Lol:D, not by me it isn't. I have never fed my dogs 2 meals a day, I will feed puppies 2 meals a day up to about 8-9 months, then it's one meal a day for life:p
Pancake has been on 1 meal since 7 months of age, she has not needed 2 from there on.
 
I'm not sure if anyone said it was bad to just feed once,your post asked people how many feeds a day they gave and most replied two. Also you were looking to stop your 2 messing during the day, whereas the OP here is trying to stop messing at night, so it is a different time scale, yet I think in both instances one feed in the morning was mentioned.
 
Yeah maybe you are right MM, however no-one has taken the time to suggest any realistic alternatives though.. :D

I might pm you about this now Cayla :D
 
I thought it harked back to the wolf you see, where they were conditioned to gorge and then survive depending on when they were lucky enough to get a kill/scavenge etc...?
 
Kitsune said:
I thought it harked back to the wolf you see, where they were conditioned to gorge and then survive depending on when they were lucky enough to get a kill/scavenge etc...?
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Yes most dogs will gorge, thats why we see so many obese, as owners interprut this as hunger:D

That is more the way I look at it, but also dogs do not need food on the basis we do they do not suffer energy slumps/feel weak the way we do when we do not take in the energy we need via food to equal to our activity, they are built totally different and they burn different stores to us, hence them being able to run non stop on without a scrap of food in them.


My dogs weight is perfect on one meal, there is no good reason IMO they need 2 meals unless im thinking "they must be hungry and need beakfast like me";) (my friend does):D and it makes me laugh.
Never the less some choose to feed twice but there really is no reason for it.
Some dogs are scavangers no matter what they are fed, greed will see them eat whatever is put in front of them in whatever quantity, my mams rotti once ate moe than half a 15kg sack of food in one pop (hungry) me thinks not, he looked like a whale, he must have been stuffed like a pig (vomiting was induced):D
Some dogs will regulate food in a more natural manor, eat for a day, leave it for a few, I see nothing wrong with this aslong as its offered and the dogs weight is maintained (not meaning fat) either:rolleyes: lean will do me:D
Its not uncommon for dogs in a single dog household to go along time with no food, because they simply dont need it so frequrntly and have no competition.
We have never fed the rescues 2 meals a day either.

Anyhow that was all rather boring:D
And it's up to the dog owner what they want to feed/when, we are just all different:p
If you want to feed your 2 once, there is no reason what so ever why you should not.
I shall answer your PM, where is the post re you asking for advice? PM me it, Im lazy:p
 
Fwiw Flora cant have one meal a day...she pukes bile if her tummy is empty! She is the only dog I have ever known do this though :rolleyes:
 
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