sundance
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at the DIY yard where I keep my horse they have 5 dogs. They are all fine apart from one who is quite young. She has bitten a couple of people. How does everyone stand in this situation?
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Tinkerbee
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hmm. i wouldnt like that,are there ever kids at the yard? and could bite horse, or badly bite human. what size?breed? YO has JR terrier and she is always in her pen or on lead.
sundance
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It is doberman.......the others are fine, it does sometimes nip at the horses at the stable door but is fine when they are out. There are no kids around, thank god. Just wondered where everyone stood legally if it bit someone nastily
Bosworth
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I hope the yard owner has decent 3rd party liability insurance, or is happy to put the dog to sleep if someone complains. As the dog has done it twice it is known that she is vicious and to be honest it is only a matter of time. Very irresponsible to let the dog loose on a yard
On the yard I am setting up I have put a no dogs on the yard clause. I have my two that do not bite, but I do not want the risk of someone elses dog biting horses. If mine bit a horse I would feel obliged to pay the bill, and ensure that dog was never allowed on the yard when anyone else was about, or make the dog wear a muzzle.
What would happen if that dog bit your horse and caused vets bills. Would they offer to pay the bill as they are liable.
On the yard I am setting up I have put a no dogs on the yard clause. I have my two that do not bite, but I do not want the risk of someone elses dog biting horses. If mine bit a horse I would feel obliged to pay the bill, and ensure that dog was never allowed on the yard when anyone else was about, or make the dog wear a muzzle.
What would happen if that dog bit your horse and caused vets bills. Would they offer to pay the bill as they are liable.
Tinkerbee
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not up to speed on the legal issues but due to the recent bad press about certain breeds, i would have thought the owner would have had more sense. Im quite sure that if it bit someone badly they could sue them or something under the Dangerous Dogs Act but im not sure
Rachel_M
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When you say bitten, do you mean full on bite or nipped at when approached?
TBH, being young and the fact it couldn't of done anything that severe ( I am taking the fact that there has been no litigations, etc that the dog hasn't done anything that caused too much trouble) I wouldn't jump to say the dog is a danger.
The fact that the dog is a doberman is going to make the perception even worse.
I am sure that the owner would not allow the dog to roam if they did actually think he was a danger.
Perhaps have a quiet chat with her about the pup.
TBH, being young and the fact it couldn't of done anything that severe ( I am taking the fact that there has been no litigations, etc that the dog hasn't done anything that caused too much trouble) I wouldn't jump to say the dog is a danger.
The fact that the dog is a doberman is going to make the perception even worse.
I am sure that the owner would not allow the dog to roam if they did actually think he was a danger.
Perhaps have a quiet chat with her about the pup.
Malibu
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i dont understand how that fact that it is a doberman makes ANY difference, dogs are how they have been brought up so maybe breeder did not socialise it well etc, as you said it is young so say to owner suggest maybe taking to puppy classes etc to get used to people as if it isnt attacking then probaly scared!
Rachel_M
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That is what I am trying to say. The size bredding of a dog doesn't indicate that the dog is dangerous. Im sure a JRT could be quite lethal if it wanted to be.
sundance
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the dog is generally shut away in the garden or wears a muzzle if it is out, think it was remiss of the YO OH to let it be out on the yard. It was a bite, through a pair of jeans that drew blood, not a nip. The person that got bit is a dog lover and owner and was simply shutting the gate. Just a bit concerned that things could get a bit nasty. The worst bit is that the dog owner didnt even say sorry so there will be ill feeling.
hussar
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I would be quite concerned. I once kept my horses on a yard where the YO had a deeply unpleasant rescued German Shepherd which used to snap at the horses' noses over the stable door - the horses would fling their heads up and crash into the lintel. After months of complaints the YO eventually made some attempt to keep the dog under control.
It also bit me once when I took hold of its collar to keep it away from some small children who were visiting. I took the horses away soon afterwards.
It also bit me once when I took hold of its collar to keep it away from some small children who were visiting. I took the horses away soon afterwards.
WelshRareBit
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I had a recue dog for a short time, Stanley. He was a lovely dog whose breeding shall remain a mystery *winks*, but he went for Murphy out in the field. He jumped right up at Murphy's nose, Murphy went up in the air and struck out, catching my BF on the shoulder. Luckily enough there was no injuries to any party.
Due to other factors - the dog had to go back to the kennels but safe to say he would NEVER EVER be allowed close to horses again after that kind of behaviour.
Not only is it dangerous to the horses, its dangerous for humans who are around AND the dog itself.
Sense and reason should dictate to this person to chain her dog up, or dont take it to the yard. Too many dogs are put down because of careless/stupid owners.
Due to other factors - the dog had to go back to the kennels but safe to say he would NEVER EVER be allowed close to horses again after that kind of behaviour.
Not only is it dangerous to the horses, its dangerous for humans who are around AND the dog itself.
Sense and reason should dictate to this person to chain her dog up, or dont take it to the yard. Too many dogs are put down because of careless/stupid owners.
Bosworth
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it is not acceptable for a dog to bite except on command - regardless of how hard. My puppy mouths - but she has never bitten and never growled and circled - that is seriously agressive behaviour which will deteriorate. The fact the owner muzzles her and keeps her shut in, mostly, proves the owner knows she is dangerous. Does someone have to be savaged before someone finally accepts the dog is dangerous. It is not acceptable to keep a dangerous dog on a livery yard when people are about. It should be kept in a secure kennel and run if they insist on it being out or locked inside. this is irresponsible ownership. How dare a yard owner take money from a livery client then allow the dog to bite. It is almost as though the dog takes priority over the customers. I am sorry but if it was me on the yard and I knew the dog had bitten then I am afraid my own safety would come first and I would always carry a Dazer with me and a large stick.
Chex
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There were 4 dogs where I keep Chex, now there's 3. But its a working farm, and these are working dogs. Only 1 is a problem, he is deaf and "not all there" (he was hit by a car a few years ago). He's a lovely dog, but I've seen him go for people he doesn't know and nip a few times. He does have a chain, but is 100 times worse on it. People are warned what he's like, and I'm very wary if I take strangers up as I know he can be a bit funny with them. But as long as you don't tease him, he's a real softy. I imagine it would bethe owners responsibity, but I believe any dog couold attack if provocked, so I guess it depends why it bit them.
Tinkerbee
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i wasnt saying that the breed should make any difference just that some peoples perceptions are warped
Faithkat
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To be perfectly honest, your YO is jolly lucky that the dog hasn't had a destruction order served on it if it has already bitten two people. Under the dictates of the Dangerous Dog Act, a dog only has to "show agression" to have a complaint made about it. When I working for a vet we had to put down an 18-month old Matiff who had merely growled at the guy who came to read a gas meter. He was stupid enough to enter the garden via a back gate and the dog, quite reasonably, growled at him. He reported it and British Gas took it to court and the dog had to be destroyed. Both the vet and I were in tears as I had to hold her to be put down and she was wagging her tail as he injected her.
Rachel_M
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To be perfectly honest, your YO is jolly lucky that the dog hasn't had a destruction order served on it if it has already bitten two people. Under the dictates of the Dangerous Dog Act, a dog only has to "show agression" to have a complaint made about it. When I working for a vet we had to put down an 18-month old Matiff who had merely growled at the guy who came to read a gas meter. He was stupid enough to enter the garden via a back gate and the dog, quite reasonably, growled at him. He reported it and British Gas took it to court and the dog had to be destroyed. Both the vet and I were in tears as I had to hold her to be put down and she was wagging her tail as he injected her.
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Oh my, I am in tears just reading it.
To be perfectly honest, your YO is jolly lucky that the dog hasn't had a destruction order served on it if it has already bitten two people. Under the dictates of the Dangerous Dog Act, a dog only has to "show agression" to have a complaint made about it. When I working for a vet we had to put down an 18-month old Matiff who had merely growled at the guy who came to read a gas meter. He was stupid enough to enter the garden via a back gate and the dog, quite reasonably, growled at him. He reported it and British Gas took it to court and the dog had to be destroyed. Both the vet and I were in tears as I had to hold her to be put down and she was wagging her tail as he injected her.
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Oh my, I am in tears just reading it.
Fairynuff
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Oh my Lord, because she growled!! Things are getting way over the top. Weve got the "dangerous dog list " here and on it is the Border collie, Sheltie AND the miniture pinscher
. The world has lost its way
M.
Rachel_M
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Oh my Lord, because she growled!! Things are getting way over the top. Weve got the "dangerous dog list " here and on it is the Border collie, Sheltie AND the miniture pinscher
. The world has lost its way
M.
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Please tell me that you are kidding? Collie?
Oh my Lord, because she growled!! Things are getting way over the top. Weve got the "dangerous dog list " here and on it is the Border collie, Sheltie AND the miniture pinscher
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Please tell me that you are kidding? Collie?
Malibu
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huuggy bear - sorry i was not directing that at you but more towards tinkerbee.
WelshRareBit
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OMG the world is going mad.
Fairynuff
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Sad to say, Im serious. Growl. M.
MagicMelon
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I think dogs should never mix with other peoples horses. Fine if they're your OWN dogs amongst your OWN horses but they should be kept well away from anybody elses horses. This is like at horse events - if I see one more flipping dog off its lead coming towards my horse I may kick it! And I am an animal lover!! A lot of dog owners dont realise other horses may not be used to dogs, plus I dont want some strange dog wondering up to my horse - it could do anything or my horse might (trust me, Ive seen some evil ass look in one of my horses eyes when a dog has come too close.....)
Doublethyme
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We have this problem on our yard. It started with a couple of owners bringing their dogs on - fine, well behaved no problem. BUT once one owner does this, it kind of snowballs and our YO isn't on site as such as she has a full livery yard too. We have a narrow block of stables/yard on our bit and recently there were 8!!! dogs on it at prime horse bringing in/feeding time and 4 of those were off the lead!
I am a dog lover/owner and adore having the dogs around (I don't take mine up very often except in the summer and on the lead), but even I am getting very very fed up with it, plus the dog mess around - yuck!
Personally I belive it should be well behaved dogs allowed, but on leads at all times and certainly if one has bitten as the OP has posted, then absolutely this dog should be banned from the yard.
We had one the other day that went for one of the yard cats - had it in its mouth against the wall, it was made perfectly clear to the concerned parties that this dog was not welcome on the yard anymore and it doesn't come on now, which is fine.
I think it takes a bit of common sense and give and take, but its difficult to do that, as it means you have to trust that people have common sense to do what is right with their dog and in my experience this doesn't happen, so a blanket rule for all has to happen in my opinion.
End of the day, I feel a yard is not a facility for dog exercising, but for people to keep their horses.
I am a dog lover/owner and adore having the dogs around (I don't take mine up very often except in the summer and on the lead), but even I am getting very very fed up with it, plus the dog mess around - yuck!
Personally I belive it should be well behaved dogs allowed, but on leads at all times and certainly if one has bitten as the OP has posted, then absolutely this dog should be banned from the yard.
We had one the other day that went for one of the yard cats - had it in its mouth against the wall, it was made perfectly clear to the concerned parties that this dog was not welcome on the yard anymore and it doesn't come on now, which is fine.
I think it takes a bit of common sense and give and take, but its difficult to do that, as it means you have to trust that people have common sense to do what is right with their dog and in my experience this doesn't happen, so a blanket rule for all has to happen in my opinion.
End of the day, I feel a yard is not a facility for dog exercising, but for people to keep their horses.
the watcher
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'End of the day, I feel a yard is not a facility for dog exercising, but for people to keep their horses'
I so agree, yards are no places for loose dogs..or loose children
I so agree, yards are no places for loose dogs..or loose children