Dogs Climbing Trees - problem

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Bear with me; there is a question at the end of this. I'll set the scene for you to give you a bit more info on my set up.

I have 6 dogs, except for one little collie they are all big dogs. All day long they have free access to wander about our farm and do as they please, although they're almost always wherever I am. At night times I bring them into my back garden. I have a large dog flap so they have free access to come into their dog room or stay outside, whatever they chose to do. My back garden is not large, maybe a third of an acre at most. It is fenced with 6ft high no-climb fencing all round. There are some small trees, mainly fruit trees which are all fairly close to the fence. We have predators/large critters who live around here which my dogs are most competent at clearing off the farm when they are out and about. However, due to past events with my dogs having run ins with wolves overnight I decided to fence an area behind my farmhouse as I did not want to have to be getting up in the night to make sure all was well and the dogs returned unscathed.

So anyway this fence as I've said is 6ft tall and all has worked perfectly for many years. One of my dogs is a young dog, she's almost 2 years old and is large. Because she is still immature she is much more flexible than my older dogs of her breed type and she has been able to leave the back garden and chase whatever she thinks shouldn't be near the house, and after she's finished she just jumps back into the back garden. This has been going on for a couple of months; helped mainly by the amount of snow we have had this winter. I eventually became a bit fed up with this last week as my other dogs become quite annoyed with her and have had a few pops at her on her return, so, as I don't want any real poop to hit the fan, I decided to heighten the fence. So it's now almost 7ft tall however the dog was still able to jump out. The snow has dropped a lot and she isn't making the jump where she usually does so easily now BUT she was still getting out. I traced her prints and saw that she had changed where she was getting out. And it was near a damson tree. It's on a steep slope at that point and I couldn't quite get my head around how she was able to do it, so I watched her one evening and to my surprise I saw her climbing the tree to about 6ft high and then she just hopped over the fence.

So my question to you is this; does anyone have any idea on how to stop this happening? I do not want to cut down any trees as I have a decent sized horse farm with people coming and going and it's the only privacy we really have. The fencing already has begun to look like Fort Knox and I'm not sure I want a 10ft fence all around. I wouldn't use electric fencing as her breed type is very sensitive to anaesthetic/shocks etc. The one thing I do have going for me is that she is nervous of things above her ie our flag waving bothers her, as does vultures in the sky etc. So can anyone think of anything (please don't say bunting!) that I could possibly use as a deterrent but without making the area look like some tinkers paradise? Thank you.
 

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Use offset electric fence brackets but hang wire with feedbag bunting/flags on it.
I used to have a bitch that could scake anything, climb mesh & prefered to sunbathe on teh garage roof. I did resort to electic fencing but ony one of the two wires so angled in -no electric and she would squeeze through.
 

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This was my thinking too Sugar, and thank you for suggesting it, however we are frozen here, down to about 3ft underground so I'm not able to stick anything in the ground at the moment, or replace the existing fence posts with taller ones. The length of the runs of the fencing is probably too far to just use a rope offset from the fence with things hanging from it. It's a dilemma for sure.
 

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To add to the above, I did use the good quality electric braided rope offset from the fence posts at the top. However on her return in the middle of one night she ended up caught up and tangled in it. One hind foot caught up and left her hanging upside down and of course the other dogs decided that it was a free for all and they'd attack her! They're well trained so when I got up to the commotion and called them off they did leave her but then I became worried if this had happened when I'd been out so I took the rope down. I had to cut the wire to get her out of there so I'm a bit cautious about doing something else like this.
 

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Funnily enough something like this came up on my fb last night, what people did to solve it was buy flexible plastic tubing and weave it in and out the branches, everytime the dog tried to get a purchase on it it would just spin.
 

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Funnily enough something like this came up on my fb last night, what people did to solve it was buy flexible plastic tubing and weave it in and out the branches, everytime the dog tried to get a purchase on it it would just spin.

I was reading about that the other day and thought it a fabulous idea tbh. I'm just not sure how best to install it. They seemed to have it somehow attached around a rope; I guess at each fence post it is cut so you have loads of runs of pipe running between the fence posts. I think this would work but it's a lot of hassle to be doing and would it look awful?

Sugar, she'd climb that I'm sure and the plastic netting is ghastly to look at and very expensive over here. I know I sound a bit defeatist, I'm not, it's just I don't want the place to look horrible.
 

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She is inventive and intelligent anyway!
Could you cut off a lower branch or two? Or put a ring type thing around the trunk to stop her getting up it, like squirrel proofing a bird feeder, but bigger?
 

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How about plastering the lower branches with good old axle grease or something along those lines which is a bit more environmently friendly, it wont be an eye-sore either but you will need to keep applying it.
 

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I did cut off all the lower branches but she uses the fence to climb up (it's only no-climb for horses I guess lol). The damson tree is actually outside the fenced area so she runs at the fence, climbs up it then grabs the higher branches and zips over the fence.

She is a clever dog and yes very inventive! She's a breed bred to be totally independent of humans so I guess it's part of her make up to find solutions to problems. I think whatever I do will only need to be a short term fix as once she's fully mature she will be much heavier and hopefully won't have quite the spring in her step that she has at the moment. I do love her a lot though and really dislike her being out there on her own.
 

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We stopped one of our dogs opening kitchen cupboard doors by fitting dog boots used for dogs with sore paws etc. They may be worth a try if she can't grip she won't be able to get far.
 

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Yes she has dew claws, double hind dew claws, as is fairly typical of her breed (she's an Akbash). Boots were a consideration but I had to discount that as I'm not sure I can get ones big enough for her paws. A run with a roof was also a consideration but they're about $1000 and as this is just a temporary measure I didn't want to spend too much money on something I'd probably never use again.

So my update is this; I was just about to get more no-climb fencing to raise the height of the fence and then I kept coming back to the ghastly bunting ... yep you guessed it, I've bought hundreds of feet of bunting so I now have loads and loads of little flags all around my back garden. Looks real tasteful lol! but I'm hoping it works. The critters will be out in a couple of hours and that's when the dogs are on high alert so I'll know whether the bunting does the trick or not pretty soon.

I do appreciate all the thoughts and suggestions you've given. She saw me putting the flags up and then she went into the dog room and has been lying down in her bed. She knows it's for her and as I say flags are really the only thing that she's really wary of so I have my fingers crossed.
 

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Could you not try tethering her on a line, so she can move around, just not reach the fence, we used to tether certain death row dogs with barrier issues in this way, it gave them freedom while still containing them.
She sounds like a lovely character, pics please
 

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Could you not try tethering her on a line, so she can move around, just not reach the fence, we used to tether certain death row dogs with barrier issues in this way, it gave them freedom while still containing them.
She sounds like a lovely character, pics please
They're not a breed you can tie up and they're not safe to be tied up so I can't do that, especially not with the other 5 dogs running around free; the other dogs are all very clever girls too and they'd know she was being punished for something and could possibly jump on the bandwagon. My dogs are all females and they are very much a pack and when one isn't working as part of that pack then they would see it as a threat to their safety and they may even see that dog as their victim. So I do have to be cautious in how I handle this. When I'm with the dogs there's no problem, but were I to leave them, as I do, then it would be unsafe for any of my dogs to be singled out in any way.

Anyhow yes she is a real character and a lovely dog. They are a breed which is totally fearless to any predator animals which does not belong, but to their owners they are just the most adorable creatures.

Here she is as a yearling pup last spring
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And this is her aunt, and what she'll look like when she's fully grown.

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Oh I've found a photo of their area at the back of my house to give you an idea. She's the young white dog at the front by the gate. We have had such a lot of snow this winter and that's been the real problem in that it has reduced the height between ground and the top of the fence.

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