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Movement in the test is give and re-take over X in canter. Rider does give and re-take with both hands instead of just the inside hand.

Would you:
A) Let the rider continue but mark them down for that movement.
Or
B) Beep your horn, get out of your car and tell the rider these are two completely different movements and to start that movement again.

This is aimed at any dressage judges on here but if anyone else has an opinion, pls feel free to comment.

K :)
 
IF the test states inside hand only (can't think of one right now), then I would mark down for having used both and make a comment. A bit like a failed transition - you don't start again, just penalised for the fail!
 
yes there is a test that says Inside Hand (circling in canter) but cant recall which one it is. TBH it doesnt warrant stopping the test as surely you cant be sure that the rider WAS giving away the other rein. They just might have an unsteady contact.
 
I rode the test on Saturday and the judge chose option B. I thought it was a bit overkill (as did the rider who went in after me).
I'm not the oversensitive type by a long mile but it felt like the judge was telling me off.. I know I made an error but as it was a minor one I was surprised I got beeped! I felt a bit like a kid being told off by the headteacher..

Others I have mentioned it to agreed with me so I thought I'd see what HHO thought too.

Thanks guys.

K :)
 
The judge I was writing for the other day said, when mistake are made, you need to judge whether it's worth disrupting the flow of the test. In this particular incident it was free walk on a long rein MBK. More than one rider rode it M-K across the long diagonal. The judge didn't stop the test, but did mark it as an error of course.

In this case, I don't think it's worth disrupting the test. In a lot of the prelim classes I've written for I've had to right G+R not shown, not enough G+R etc, but never had a test stopped for it.
 
If it was your first canter in BE102 then I would imagine the judge did it because you have to do the same movement on the other rein so was trying to prevent you from making the same error on the other rein - which means only one error of course not two. So it's not an unreasonable thing to do really - she was just trying to help you not lose any more marks.
 
Generally drop marks rather than stop test, some people even skip the give and take if they are having control issues, they just get marked down for it.

It is after all part of a movement not the whole movement.
 
SpottedCat said:
If it was your first canter in BE102 then I would imagine the judge did it because you have to do the same movement on the other rein so was trying to prevent you from making the same error on the other rein - which means only one error of course not two. So it's not an unreasonable thing to do really - she was just trying to help you not lose any more marks.
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Agree with option. Stop test is movement is repeated on other rein.
 
AandK said:
Movement in the test is give and re-take over X in canter. Rider does give and re-take with both hands instead of just the inside hand.

Would you:
A) Let the rider continue but mark them down for that movement.
Or
B) Beep your horn, get out of your car and tell the rider these are two completely different movements and to start that movement again.

This is aimed at any dressage judges on here but if anyone else has an opinion, pls feel free to comment.

K :)
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I was very interested to read your thread as my daughter had a very similar experience.

During her test (at a PC Area competition) she was supposed to give and retake the rein on one half of a circle. Rider has done many tests and is experienced but horse was not particularly going well and the give and retake was not great (and all those watching did see a give and retake) but to my horror the judge beeped (late) jumped out of her car and one can only say stormed over and lectured a senior pc rider on how to ride the movement. This not only stopped the flow of the test but rider was then irritated to not only get an error of movement mark but also a poor mark? For a judge to reduce a rider to tears mid test and what can only say rant to a rider? In the wider picture I have always found dressage judges to be positive individuals who judge because of their passion and their aim is to mark riders and horses fairly and comment positively but constructive criticism.

Having attended a few Dressage Judging seminars I was disappointed to see that a reasonable trot but sadly a poor execution of a movement was basically marked down to an equivalent of 1/10 (2 points deducted for error of test and a 3/10 for the actual movement?). The movement was shown and horse did not "break trot" therefore would a 3 or 4 mark be more appropriate than then deducting for an error of course!:confused:

I was not surprised when rider declined offer to compete at PC Areas again! Stick to eventing!
 
It's an error of test, rather than an error of course, so I would take off 2 marks and underline the movement. To stop the rider and give error of course wouldnt be needed unless the movement was repeated later on and risk of them doing same thing again.
 
No way should you stop for that... it's like a late/ missed transition. I'd also knock off 1 mark and make a note for next time. Judging should be constructive critisism!
 
My daughter had the opposite happen to her during a CCI* test she rode a circle in the wrong place, she thought it was wrong but as she wasn't beeped she assumed she was mistaken so rode the one on the other rein in the same place. Hence got 2 errors of course instead of the 1 she would have got if they'd stopped her after the first wrong circle.
 
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