Dressage stallion with good temperment?

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Thinking about breeding my tb mare. She will be 19 this year and I put it off before as she was being ridden and competed and we thought she would be too old but just been reading up on it and apparently older horses may be longer to take but other than that, complications the same as any horse. She has bred a few foals before we bought her as well. Of course we would get her uterus etc checked and won't bother unless everything is good :)

So Dancer is 7/8ths thoroughbred. Has an excellent temperment on the ground. She is only 15hh and very finely built. Good confo other than neck set on a little low and shoulder could be more sloping. She has very good paces. Extremely uphill canter with active hock. Only fault is I would like a little more shoulder action for the mediums etc. She also has a fantastic jump but due to being ill treated in the past is afraid of jumps. She is very fizzy, sensitive and spooky under saddle (possibly partly to do with her past).

Stallion I would like to have a good temperment, with a bit less fizz undersaddle. Good movement through the shoulder and a little bit bigger (would like foal to end up 15.1hh- 15.2hh).
Doesn't have to be warmblood. Have been looking at appaloosa or knabstruppers due to their good temp or andalusians I am very keen on as well :)
 
Whilst I am a huge fan of Iberian horses I would suggest you choose carefully if you want to improve the shoulder and forelimb movement as a good many of them can be quite choppy (there are good ones out there!)

Country Farm Stud in Lancashire have a PRE working at PSG and couple of spotty stallions, whichever way you choose I would suggest you go and meet the horses and see them run up for you.
 
I used Mooiman (KWPN) on my 7/8 TB mare and liked the results so much I went back and bred another two. Mare is just on 16hh and competed to Inter I level. I sadly lost the third one at 7 weeks old to complications of enterocolitis but still have the other two.

First album is mix-up - but bay mare is Mum, chestnut foal/youngster is the first one I bred. She was reserve champion at her KWPN foal keuring. She is now 6yo and has been easy to start and is very talented. My trainer is a list 1 judge and even she went WOW! the first time she saw her canter under saddle.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.35569552977.43359.673237977&type=3&l=d67711ecf8

Second album shows Mum stood up (she was preggers with number two at this point) the chestnut at liberty is Belle (ridden one is her elderly Uncle who was 29yo in those pics!)

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.392121902977.173706.673237977&type=3&l=84a3816ee6

This is the 2010 foal (colt) with a couple of pics of Dad at start. Was selling this one but when I lost number three decided to keep him. he gained a high first premium at the BEF futurity as a foal. Running him on for now as a potential stallion.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.397242062977.177329.673237977&type=3&l=d6dbed1aca

This is the one we lost - little stunner and real sweetheart

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150208094157978.333768.673237977&type=3&l=8c7639ac04

Last two links are the most recent pics of the two year old. Second set were taken Friday when I took him over to the local EC to do some prep work towards the Futurity. He behaved impeccably, even with kids and ponies scooting about.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150650176137978.415271.673237977&type=3&l=7e97e113bb

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150701580777978.423189.673237977&type=3&l=6f19d7d5c3

I don't have any of Belle ridden as I'm the photographer! She's thrown back a bit to the mare's pony ancestors and is probably going to top out at around Mum's height. The colt is much taller and will make around 16.1 - 16.2hh, if I geld him he'll go a bit bigger than that (he's thrown more to Mum's grandsire who was 17.3hh :eek: )
A good idea of how nice the temperament - I can not work the 6yo for several days and can just get on and ride without fearing for my life. The chap who backed her for me found her so easy he was hacking her out round the farm after four days (I'd done all the ground work).

Mooiman is in Lancs so not a million miles away.

www.holdenfolddressage.co.uk
 
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Always an RID for me!
I went with Avanti amorous Archie www.avantistud.com
My idea was breeding a sound level headed foal as she is for keepies. But has talent to burn and attitude to die for!

Just make sure you breed what's right for what you want and not just the fashion
 
have a look at Wolkenderry. My neighbour used him and the foal is beautiful in looks temperament and movement. She got a higher first premium at BEF last year at only 4 weeks old. I think all his stock got very good marks at the BEF, so he must stamp them well. My neighbour met him in the flesh, and said he was amazing, very kind and loving.
 
have to agree with Asha my mare's in foal to him now and we chose him for his excellent temperment, why not go to the Twemlows Open Day on the 22nd. April - lots to see in the flesh including Wolkenderry:)
 
Just to confirm that Wolkenderry will be at the Twemlows Hall Stud Open day on the 22nd April. PM me if you would like any further info...
 
The easiest and most talented young horse I've ever ridden is by Le Rouge who is a Trakehner. She's almost 6 and is working Advanced Medium. She's learned flying changes in just 1 week without losing counter canter. She's also offered passage during her training although we're currently discouraging her from doing it as its too early and I want her to learn piaffe first. Her ability to collect is excellent.

The best thing about this Le Rouge youngster is that she is amateur friendly. I work full time and can only ride 3 times a week. She's fine with this, never hots up, always remembers what we were working on the last time I rode her and lets me pick up from where we left off. If there was ever a perfect amateur's horse, this is it! :)

Le Rouge himself is rising 10 and out competing Inter 1. He's close to coming out at GP and has been sold to a competition rider so I'm expecting to see more of him in the results sections this year (in Germany). He's available via Elite Stallions and is well worth looking at. Trakehners cross very well with TBs and if you're used to a TB brain where you don't have to work to get forwards you'll probably prefer a TB-Trakehner x rather than a TB-Warmblood cross as Warmbloods can be difficult to motivate and disingenuous about going forwards. The Dutch lines are an exception to this but some of them can be too hot for your average amateur. Trakehners seem to strike a happy medium.
 
If your mare is 15hh and you only want to add a little bit of height then I would steer clear of anything over 16.0hh/16.1hh. Especially as you say she is a very refined type.

What level of dressage are you looking to compete at? There are stallions that add ridability but that is measured by offspring being ridden by experienced competition riders, and there are stallions that will really add ridability but not so much in terms of serious dressage ability.
 
Agree with stolen silver re Le Rouge , saw some crackers by him but also , and available in this country fully German graded trak stallion Woodcroft Garuda K
He is working and competing at inter 1 has piaffe and passage fir int 11 next year , his daughter was the first British bred trak to be invited to elite auction in Germany , he is a proven sire with super temperament , there is a vid of one of his daughters, I'll see if I can find the link, infact when in Germany he had to work in with 8 mares with foals at foot! He was so well behaved
He crosses very well with TB and ponies.
Hope that's helpful
Sorry if there are typos as I'm on my iPhone and it's pants!
 
volatis said:
If your mare is 15hh and you only want to add a little bit of height then I would steer clear of anything over 16.0hh/16.1hh. Especially as you say she is a very refined type.

What level of dressage are you looking to compete at? There are stallions that add ridability but that is measured by offspring being ridden by experienced competition riders, and there are stallions that will really add ridability but not so much in terms of serious dressage ability.
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Yeh was looking at stallions around the 16hh mark even though I do really love Amour G!
Well my current spotty boy I am hoping will take me to PSG and I would like her foal to take me a bit further than PSG really. If we had Dancer when she was younger and before she was messed up by previous owners, she possibly could have taken me there but who knows!

I will have a look at le rouge as he does sound lovely!
 
I'd watch the vids of Franklyn Sugar, he is super in the flesh , and I can vouch for his temperament having met him in his stable and he moves beautifully. From what you describe you need a very sane stallion, I chose him for our mare for similar reasons, as her dressage scores have been erratic at times. He also had excellent feet and decent bone, plus the owners were pleasant too...
 
I am another one for Wolkenderry. I have a yearling colt by him who is just fantastic. I couldn't have chosen any better and I just can't fault my boy. He has a cracking front and shoulder and his dads hind leg. Best stud fee ever spent
 
What about Don Perry who stands at Greenvale Stud? He is only 15.3hh but when ridden by Maria Eilberg he won a European Team Bronze medal for GBR YR team in 2004. When he retired from big competition he went on to be a schoolmaster and has a superb temperament. He is fully AES Approved and stud fee is £500 NFFR so reasonable. This is stud's website - www.equineservices.co.uk
 
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