Driver CPC

[christine48]

Reading about this in H&H, there are a few grey areas. Does this mean that anyone travelling horses other than their own will need this to be legal? Does it apply to only HGV's or all lorries?

 

[Fides]

Only 7.5t and over from what I can work out...

 

[christine48]

So if I took someone else's horse in my 7.5 ton lorry I would need one?

 

[humblepie]

Its for professional drivers of lorries of 3.5 tonnes and over - there is good guidance on direct gov website.

 

[christine48]

How about if your horse is at livery, competed and transported by them?

 

[ROG]

Driver CPC is for those driving LGVs commercially

Commercially means making or intending to make a profit

Commercially can also mean using the LGV as part of a business so if a livery has say a 6 tonne horsebox and uses that to transport their clients horses to different fields then it will be deemed that the LGV is being used in a commercial way because the client is paying for livery and that includes the transportation of the horse
Using the LGV as an advertising medium for a business can also be deemed as using it commercially

LGV means any vehicle over 3.5 tonnes GVW with less than 10 seats

 

[dressage_diva]

Using the LGV as an advertising medium for a business can also be deemed as using it commercially

LGV means any vehicle over 3.5 tonnes GVW with less than 10 seats

Possibly a stupid question, but what about if you hire a lorry from a business (set up as a lorry hiring business) and that lorry has their business advertised on the side. As the hirer it's obviously not my business being advertised but would this be deemed as being commercially driven?

 

[ROG]

Possibly a stupid question, but what about if you hire a lorry from a business (set up as a lorry hiring business) and that lorry has their business advertised on the side. As the hirer it's obviously not my business being advertised but would this be deemed as being commercially driven?

You answered your own question - its not your advertising

 

[Mike007]

Driver CPC is for those driving LGVs commercially

Commercially means making or intending to make a profit

Commercially can also mean using the LGV as part of a business so if a livery has say a 6 tonne horsebox and uses that to transport their clients horses to different fields then it will be deemed that the LGV is being used in a commercial way because the client is paying for livery and that includes the transportation of the horse
Using the LGV as an advertising medium for a business can also be deemed as using it commercially

LGV means any vehicle over 3.5 tonnes GVW with less than 10 seats

Linked this to the wrong post, I am refering to moving horses betwean fields .
No,the example given would not require a cpc. The reason is that ,whilst part of the business ,it is only a minor part. Rather like the example given ,of a bricklayer transporting bricks for his work on a site. This was given as exempt. If however the horse were being transported for the customer to compete on or perhaps to the sales ,then a cpc would be required.It is arguable that a customers horse being transported to ,for example ,an event ,for the yard owner to compete ,would also be exempt.

 

[dressage_diva]

You answered your own question - its not your advertising

Fab thanks, that's what I thought

 

[ROG]

Linked this to the wrong post, I am refering to moving horses betwean fields .
No,the example given would not require a cpc. The reason is that ,whilst part of the business ,it is only a minor part. Rather like the example given ,of a bricklayer transporting bricks for his work on a site. This was given as exempt. If however the horse were being transported for the customer to compete on or perhaps to the sales ,then a cpc would be required.It is arguable that a customers horse being transported to ,for example ,an event ,for the yard owner to compete ,would also be exempt.

I AGREE that it could be an exemption from dcpc

I should have used a better example

I was trying to give an example of what does or does not constitute commercial

 

[Mike007]

Absolute nightmare isnt it ! They just dont try to make the regulations easy for law abiding folk to follow.

 

[christine48]

It's going to affect a lot of people. Anyone who rides a horse for someone else or makes their living from horses will require it .

 

[ROG]

It's going to affect a lot of people. Anyone who rides a horse for someone else or makes their living from horses will require it .

VOSA and the police have stated that from 10 Sept this year they will be having a crackdown on this because from that date ALL commercial LGV & PCV drivers will need to carry a DQC when driving commercially

£50 FPN if not carrying the DQC - vehicle allowed to continue with that driver

£1000 fine for both driver and vehicle operator if found not to have done the required training - that will be on the database
OH - and the vehicle will not be allowed to continue with that driver