Drug test results partially announced

[Santa_Claus]

Was announced to the press this evening that 2 of the 4 blood tests taken (turns out a 4th pony had also been blood tested) at the BSJA Jersey event have come back positive for ACP the other two have yet to be returned.

What is interesting is that both won their respective championship classes at the rerun held over the weekend.

BSJA Jersey have it in their hands now (after BSJA england said would do nothing themselves) and hopefully they will take it further though will be waiting for the final 2 results to be returned first.

Katie

 

[amage]

doesn't acp take a min. of 10-14 days to clear system. how long was held between the two shows (initial & rerun) just wondering what scenario would be if those two ponies won when there could still have been illegal amounts in their systems

 

[Santa_Claus]

there was 2 clear weeks between the reruns so if 14 days to clear they would be fine. Sure they would have double checked clearing time before organising rerun due to everything anyway

 

[Santa_Claus]

all 4 tests have now returned and all 4 are postitive for ACP!

 

[Rambo]

Come on BSJA...make a stand !

I'm sure the FEI could come up with something !? Isn't the BSJA affiliated to it in some way ?

 

[henryhorn]

I think no matter how much the woman denies her guilt, to be seen feeding polos etc to other people's ponies makes it very likely she is guilty..I hope she gets banned from shows for life if that's the case..

 

[PapaFrita]

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I think no matter how much the woman denies her guilt, to be seen feeding polos etc to other people's ponies makes it very likely she is guilty..I hope she gets banned from shows for life if that's the case..

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Quite right!!

 

[TGM]

Quite agree - what a sad lady she must be to do such a thing and put so many ponies and riders at risk

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[Santa_Claus]

well apparently BSJA England are reconsidering their 'doing nothing' position as they are meeting about it tomorrow. If i hear anything I will of course let you know!

There is so much more to this case as well which I simply cannot publicy broadcast but if you think the drugging is shocking I could tell you more that would truely truely scare you but can't as potentially defamotry.

Lets just say although the situation is very shocking it perhaps didn't surprise a lot of people that something would happen!!!

 

[tarbra]

I have spoken to one of the owners this morning and can confirm that all the tests came back positive for ACP.

Also ACP is a controlled drug because it is classified as a dangerous chemical. As a dangerous chemical it has to be on the controlled drugs list. The question remains as to where the suspected doper got the drugs from?

I could say a lot more, but right now am not at liberty to do so. However I can tell you that this is not the first time this sort of thing has gone on in Jersey. It happened to me some years back and I have my autobiography out there with all the details. My horse/ children’s ponies had suspected arsenic poisoning, and the Police where worse than useless!

 

[Santa_Claus]

I take it your name is Linda in which case hi to a fellow Jersey Crappaud

I must say bells are ringing in back of brain that I recognise your name!

There is so much more to this case but as you say it is not our right to write it online, I may live in England but my family are still in Jersey and alot of my very good horsey friends are also still on the Island and have been directly affected by this situation.

She had got 'some' acp tablets from her vets for clipping. Said vet (who was absolutly disgusted with their use) has now put up a lot of notices as to use and handling of drug, and that any unused must be returned etc.

I am only youngish (23) but I must say this is the first case of drugging I have heard of in the island, but often there is a lot that goes untold for fear of further attacks.

Katie

 

[Santa_Claus]

Further to this BSJA Jersey are setting up an independant enquiry with no committee members on the enquiry so that it can be seen as unbiased. Evidence will be heard from all parties and then an appropriate decision will be made.

There is also a lot of pressure being applied on the Jersey Government to change the law.

Nothing further from BSJA England though!

 

[burtie]

It will be interesting to see if any new rules are introduced by the Main BSJA body after the outcome of anything Jersey decide.
As others have said, adding a rule to state anyone feeding anothers horse without permission will be fined and asked to leave the showground (or something along those lines), would seem like a sensible move at this point.

 

[tarbra]

Hi Katie
Yes we have met and your a smashing young Lady. Just so you know folks Katie is very pretty!

I am an ex Grade A Jersey team member, who has also jumped all over the place. Trained a lot of horses/ponies you will know or have heard of over the years. My hubby is the Crappaud, I have been here nearly forty years though and my children are Jersey Born, and I have a lot of Jersey friends.

I cannot say here what I have been up to, but it might well be in the J.E.P tomorrow?

Rumour has it she had managed collected about 50 ACP tablets, who knows? If so goodness knows what she intended to do with them, the mind boggles with horror.

Some of the attacks I suffered here were in the J.E.P. Like horse-box arsoned, horses hanged from trees, suspected arsenic poisoning, vandalism the list is horrific and extensive believe me. All of it is in my autobiography, and as a ex horsy investigator I expect you will have heard about the biggest horsy fraud crime that went through the Royal Court in Jersey, well yes I was the investigator for it. Note: The person who committed the crime was put in the Jersey BSJA team less than a week after being convicted to represent us in Guernsey, disgusting don’t you think?
Well have fun and look after yourself, Linda

 

[twizard]

Hi Katie!!! Probs dont remember me but you will know my horse, titch wizard!! now 23!!

I was disgusted to hear about this doping, and hadnt a clue what went on over there. You tend to get it in the uk with dog and cat shows but not horses, why is it so prevailent over there do you think?

Sounds like a competitive mother who was way over the top and quite simply evil.

Personal opinion is she should be banned but the next thing we will hear is how do they prove SHE did it, as they saw polos only! I can hear it now.

GRRRRR makes me mad!

 

[Santa_Claus]

I do indeed know of Titch and I think we have spoken before possibly through old BHS board?!?!?

I think the papers and media in general are making it seem a lot more common that it actually is to be honest. This incident has shocked a lot of the horsey community though not so much others.

The article in the Sunday Mail from the accused point of view was laughable to be honest as a description of the atmosphere which lost her further respect from that which remained. Yes pimms may well be drunk (how many of us are guilty of having a pimms on a hot summer's day at a day long event including those who are riding?!) but the parents help their children and the majority of the 4x4s are not brand new and are actually used for their given purpose (eg either on farms or pulling trailers as very few have lorries). I can go on and on but basically everyone knows everyone there and there are few people that are 'unliked' and if they are it is normally for a justifiable reason.

Yes some parents buy very expensive ponies but that is their rights, doesn't mean their kids will win though. Our JA section (60points plus which is equivilent to only £180!!) had only ONE finalist this year. Any decent pony from England with a large price tag will go straight in to our JA section so that shows most are bog standard BSJA novice ponies. I find the seniors pay more than the Juniors on mounts and those that do tend to compete more in the UK than Jersey.

Linda can't say I'm actually aware of the fraud story you speak of, before my time again I can only imagine. I know a few horses have been 'ringed' or 'recycled' in the past but those that have been proven have led to the owners being banned so those can't be of what you are talking about.

 

[tarbra]

The fraud case was between 1983 to late 1980's, so yes a bit before your time. Which one of the ringers are you referring to I know of a few, but not sure they all got caught?

I also brought on my own ponies and horses for that matter. You might just remember Dominique (Funland Dominique) Dom is one of many I brought on from a two year old and took into grade A.

My main original junior ponies were Tanhouse Jewel & Mr. Super (Stable name Tomby). Jewel & I were in the JEP at the beginning of August (Old time group photo taken at St Lawrence Horse show when it was held at St Andrews Park) Jewel is now buried in my field at St Peter, I lost her at 32 years of age in 1987 and it broke my heart, we had been together since I was seven.

You might just remember my oldest daughters pony Sweet Sophia, Chestnut jumped like a stag, and yes we trained her on from novice to grade A.

I don't drink Pimms, in fact I don't often drink, but when I do I like Brandy & Lemonade, and I do not drive a BMW either.

I can tell you that a lot of people who are wealthy do not buy ready made ponies in Jersey. Taking the attitude that their child won't learn anything that way, which is actually right.

You will get xxxxxxx nasty people doing bad things in any sport, and it can happen anywhere, just that in the main it doesn't get the media coverage that the Jersey doping incident has. Cheating and bad behaviour of any sort should be stomped on hard in my opinion. It is a shame that good things never get the media coverage that bad ones do, but that is life.

Most of us in Jersey know who to avoid getting involved with; the problems come when all the children mix together and don't see the danger of mixing with the wrong people. Some parents are very innocent as well. Let’s face it sometimes wolves come in sheep’s clothing. I know because one of my best friends turned out to be a real bad egg, she was the one who committed the fraud crime. Sad but true.

Well look after yourself, and have fun, Linda

 

[tarbra]

This elderly Lady saw her feeding the Polo to a pony, and the pony spat out a tablet which the elderly Lady saw her kick into the dirt. The elderly Lady picked it up and gave a statement to the Police, which is how come one tablet was found and given to the Police.
Just thought I should mention this. Linda

 

[Santa_Claus]

wasn't just any 'eldery lady' though was the grandmother of one of the children involved and she was holding the pony at the time the polos were fed!!!

 

[Santa_Claus]

Can't remember name of the ringer I know was banned (as again when i was little) but know it was a bloke.

I know the committee have suspected many other ponies and horses over the year but unfortunetly it is very hard to prove.

Although I agree a kid should learn and not be given a push button pony I would hope you would agree that it is now a sad state of affairs in regards the number of juniors competing and then carrying on into seniors. Too many I see get complete novice 4yos without the knowledge or experience to come on and the result is both the pony and rider go sour so to speak. There are some very talented kids who do have the ability and prove it but on the same line there are several that simply arn't and should have a good all rounder (as face it a good allrounder can go round the open courses in Jersey these days!) and just have fun.

 

[tarbra]

You can get a good all rounder that doesn’t cost the earth and that has the ability to upgrade from novice or grade C with the proper training.

I would never suggest getting a really young horse for a novice rider, or a newly adult rider just out of juniors who didn't have the ability needed to bring it on, that would be crazy!

Yep know which man you are talking about now. Was just a little

thinking you meant recently.

I was told this morning by one of the relatives of one of the ponies doped that the woman wasn't related to any of the ponies doped? This woman didn't even have a child or relative in that class?

Have fun, have to go now, need some sleep, Linda

 

[Santa_Claus]

apparently it was definetly the grandma of one of the kids invovled. Friend was there that day and told me what happened and several others have said same since. She was holding it in the collecting ring at the time whilst the child was walking a course i so believe!!

 

[tarbra]

Ha Katie

You were in the JEP tonight page no 77, on Premy lovey photo, nice article! This is how I remember you,lol.

Parents the ponies that where doped may face a fine and a ban themselves!!!!! Check out BSJA Rule 97.1

This is crazy in my opinion, and something must be done as it would be soo unjust! Linda

 

[tarbra]

I should have mentioned that this information was just on BBC spotlight local Jersey news.

 

[Santa_Claus]

From what I heard basically they won't be fined or banned due to the circumstances. This point was raised soon after it happened when BSJA england made their last statement on the matter.

And yes i heard an old pic was in about him competing at Hoys next week. My mother is fully to be blamed for that as she mentioned it to one of the reporters as she is coming over to visit me and we are going up to watch him compete and they decided to run the story as a side line and my mum provided a photo of the darling lad.

 

[tarbra]

Yes I heard that at the time to, only now the tests have come back positive they might change there minds? Wouldn't it be awful if they did ban them!!!!!!!

Your mum is a sweetie doing that

! I hope she is keeping a copy of the article for you, if not I can keep the one from my JEP for you or post it onto you, all these are nice to have to show your children in later life.

I was in the times past bit at the beginning of August of this years JEP on Jewel , like from way back in 1967 lol. Thank goodness they didn't use the one when we had a fall and they had undone all my clothes, really dreadful photo that was

!

One of my friends is trying to trace the Channel TV series they did in the late 1960 when we did the advanced riding series, horrors, I remember watching it and picking out all the faults I made at the time, although no one else seemed to notice them, they jumped out and hit me in the eye,

lol.

 

[Santa_Claus]

yes a copy is most certainly saved for me

and likely hood of changing mind re banning those involved is slim to none in my opinion.