Dually vs natural horsemanship/control halters

yes i thought this - the natural horsemanship look to have more pressure points and as far as i can see the dually only works on the nose? although i could be wrong so wanted to ask first :D
 
I think which you use just depends on what you need it for! You're right the Dually only puts pressure on the nose, all other pressure points will be the same as with a normal headcollar. Monty Roberts does another stronger pressure halter like the rope ones as well if you need poll pressure etc. as well as all the other makes out there of course!

Ive only ever tried a dually so cant really comment on the rope halters.
 
Another vote for the Dually over a nh halter. For a start they are a lot easier to put on, and find what you are asking is more 'obvious' to the horse, as is of a simpler construction....
 
What did you feel you needed a pressure halter for exactly? Knowing this would help determine what you would be best off getting!
 
cob&onion said:
yes i thought this - the natural horsemanship look to have more pressure points and as far as i can see the dually only works on the nose? although i could be wrong so wanted to ask first :D
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NH halters only work on the nose too. If you clip the lead rope onto the ring on the side of the dually, this acts to tighten around the nose, giving extra control if needed. The rope halter doesnt tighten, and shouldnt apply pressure until its needed. The knots stop the halter moving, and also help with control if the horse tries to bugger off on you. People assume the rope halters are more severe. This is only the case with rough hands.

I prefer the rope halter personally, i guess its just what im use too.
 
Rope halters and Be Nice halters are nasty, too open to abuse. Not fond of the dually either as the people who often to use them are the people who shouldn't use them.
 
I like rope halters. They give an immediate signal and loosen the moment the signal is no longer needed. I haven't found a horse that doesn't lead correctly and controllably in one.
 
I have tried a Be Nice and a parelli. I have not tried the Monty version as it seams to work just like putting the lead rope round the nose with a conventional headcoller....cept Monty's (I assume) would loosen easier as soon as the pressure was off, where as with putting a rope round the nose you have to be careful it does not lock it's self tight.

Was not personally impressed with the be nice, too many pressure points. Found the rope ones (parelli type or coppies) do the job, he nicked the design of the American Indians anyway!
 
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I would recomend going to an agricultural merchants and spending £4 on an old fashioned cow halter. These do the same job and have no trademark attached to them. We have used them for years.
 
I've never used a Dually, I reckon I could replicate this with the leadrope over the nose. I do have one of the knotted rope NH halters which I use on the 18hh horse, I very rarely need to apply any pressure with it, but it is there if I need an extra level of control.
For training I prefer a slip halter
 
I lead my 2 yr old filly with a dually, its pretty good because I dont HAVE to use pressure but if she tries to prat about I know ive got that little bit more control.
I know the nose pressure works for her as I used to put the lead rope around her nose if she was an idiot, this worked but as someone else said, doesnt release the pressure as quickly etc. I also like that I can *lunge her off it too*, She even went for a walk on the roads today in it.
I have used the be nice halters years ago, but prefer the dually.

Before anyone says why am I lunging a 2 yr old...
* She suffers form locking stifle so needs the exercise to build up her strength behind*
Thanks :D
 
I borrowed a dually from a friend (and watched the DvD) and I used a halter.
I found I had to keep adjusting the dually as the rope over the nose didn't release fully.
For me personally I prefer the halter - my youngster respects it and I use it in situations where I need a bit more control and for other situations I use a leather headcollar.

Its all about what your most comfortable with and what your hore responds to.
With regards to abuse comments, any piece of equipment can be abused in the wrong hands :)
 
I have tried both with my ex-racer and to be honest if he is behaving either is fine but if he is being stroppy or getting overly excited I want a bridle as he has a lot more respect for it. It may not be the kindest method but it is my responsibility to keep us both safe and I cannot guarantee it with a rope halter or dually.
 
horserider said:
Rope halters and Be Nice halters are nasty, too open to abuse. They are the same as any other piece of equipment really, only as bad as the hands operating them :)Not fond of the dually either as the people who often to use them are the people who shouldn't use them. But that is operator error then surely not actually the fault of the Dually itself. ;)[/QUOTE]

Rope halters are not nasty in the least, I use them every day and I defy you to say that any of my horses are headshy or abused. The kind of rope halter in the OPs link looks just to be a bog standard halter not a Be Nice, we can get ones that have a rawhide nosebands too.

The Be Nice halter is actually completely different (blue one below)
There are metal bands/studs on the headpiece and the throat pieces cross over and apply pressure along the same lines as a Dr Cook bridle.
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Ditto the Be Nice head collar. It's good in the right hands. I won't load my lad in anything other than it. He's an extremely strong mined and bodied cob and loading is a pain in the ass sometimes, also useful for leading during his fizzy times, but like I said, only in the right hands.

FTA: also tried dually and other pressure head collars but proved unsucsessful compared to be nice :)
 
Whenever I have seen a Dually being used, it always seems to look as if it is being pulled up into the horse's eye on the opposite side to the handler
 
I've used a Silvertip halter with a 12ft line for about 20 years and agree that all halters/headcollars can be severe if used roughly. As already mentioned, it applies immediate pressure and release and my bargy, greedy Welsh D now has impeccable manners and leads very nicely. I've never used a Dually but I do notice a difference when leading a rude horse in a traditional headcollar :)
 
AndreaB71 said:
Whenever I have seen a Dually being used, it always seems to look as if it is being pulled up into the horse's eye on the opposite side to the handler
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Yes thats why I don't use one,also noticed that everytime its used it needs readjusting,not something I wanted to do in Malaga's "Mad Malaga" days ;)
 
AndreaB71 said:
Whenever I have seen a Dually being used, it always seems to look as if it is being pulled up into the horse's eye on the opposite side to the handler
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That's because it is not adjusted correctly - if its going anywhere near the eye the straps need adjusting - which you do via buckles

Rope halters I used everyday, as they are easier than buckles. They aren't expensive and I use with 3m leads.

The Dually I love for lungeing and for solving minor problems and finally the Be Nice is my last resort, but generally solves the problem quickly.

I don't like webbing halters as they generally have stiff buckles are are a pointless horsemanship tool.
 
i have both, i find my horse is better in the dually then the rope, he doesnt like poll pressure so just the weight of the leadrope makes him hold his head high but each to their own... i dont use either ussually just a comfort head collar :)
 
YorksG said:
I would recomend going to an agricultural merchants and spending £4 on an old fashioned cow halter. These do the same job and have no trademark attached to them. We have used them for years.
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I was looking at these in Mole Valley yesterday but they are not £4 any more. I thinklast time I bought one they were about £2.50 so was shocked to see they were well over a fiver nowadays!
 
I've tried a few but think the Dually is by far the best.

I do think it is important to gain some professional tuition in how to use it correctly. If you learn correctly and teach the horse how to behave in it then its a very good tool.
 
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