tania01
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can i ask what members veiws are useing eagles on fox hunts ??
eagles in fox hunts
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wurzel
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My opinion is pretty positive.
But I keep falling off mine.
But I keep falling off mine.
tania01
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what do you mean by that ? ,
wurzel
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Zummerzet humour.
I think it is a big joke.
But if it gets round a dopey law in a humourous way it is good.
I think it is a big joke.
But if it gets round a dopey law in a humourous way it is good.
tania01
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lol , i must explane im tania01 partner she is the horse lover and i am the falconer and i own an eagle , i have nothing against hunting at all in fact all for it , i was just wondering what horse people thought ive heard the falconers point of view but wanted the hunt point of view
wurzel
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What is a "partner" ?
You get the drift.
It is ridiculous they are taken but this government of dwarves (no offence to the vertically challenged) cause this lunacy !!
You get the drift.
It is ridiculous they are taken but this government of dwarves (no offence to the vertically challenged) cause this lunacy !!
faerie666
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Personally, I don't see how killing a fox with an eagle is less cruel than killing it with hounds. Surely the eagle takes a lot longer?
Also, I've been told first time a hunt used a bird of prey, the hounds flushed the fox out into the open, the bird went for the fox and then the hounds went for the bird. How would you avoid that happening again?
PS: I'm pro, just in case you're wondering.
Also, I've been told first time a hunt used a bird of prey, the hounds flushed the fox out into the open, the bird went for the fox and then the hounds went for the bird. How would you avoid that happening again?
PS: I'm pro, just in case you're wondering.
tania01
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answer to you question on how to avoid eagles getting killed is easy , dont use them simple ,
faerie666
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Yes, that would be the obvious one.
I don't think the people who suggested using birds of prey to hunt foxes didn't really think it through though, did they?
I don't think the people who suggested using birds of prey to hunt foxes didn't really think it through though, did they?
tania01
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i am also pro just to set the record straight ,and did in fact march in london to keep the hunt , i do think it should be our right to keep tradition . but i was thinking of the eagles sake being a falconer of 30 years in hobby and job , and being an eagle owner wouldnt even dream of putting my eagle in that situation ,
wrighty
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"i do think it should be our right to keep tradition"
A lot of traditions are old, pointless and some just that little bit silly. If that tradition is killing animals for fun then it should be stopped.
As for using birds to hunt I tihnk this should be stopped as well, keeping these beautiful birds to reintroduce them to wild to repair what farmers and egg collectors have done in the past is a good thing, keeping these birds just to show them off to people and entertain them is wrong.
(Letting the birds do thier natural thing (in the wild) of hunting for food is normal therefore ok before someone asks.
I'm anti BTW if you didn't know already.
A lot of traditions are old, pointless and some just that little bit silly. If that tradition is killing animals for fun then it should be stopped.
As for using birds to hunt I tihnk this should be stopped as well, keeping these beautiful birds to reintroduce them to wild to repair what farmers and egg collectors have done in the past is a good thing, keeping these birds just to show them off to people and entertain them is wrong.
(Letting the birds do thier natural thing (in the wild) of hunting for food is normal therefore ok before someone asks.
I'm anti BTW if you didn't know already.
tania01
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hunting with birds of prey has been going on since before the invetion of the gun and is the most natural of hunting there is i dont show my birds like buggies , but the issues of the topic was eagles on hunts not weather falconry is good or bad , and what do you think a bird of prey does all day in the wild ? it sits around untill its hungry then hunts it does not waist valuable energy flying around looking prity , you are only looking at the end result 9 out of ten flights end in failure ,i always thought horses were wild ??
wrighty
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"and what do you think a bird of prey does all day in the wild ?"
I know what eagles do in the wild, that is natural, it is not natural to keep a bird caged/tied up/in some way restricted.
"i always thought horses were wild ??"
Yes they were in the past (and insmall pockets around the world now) but I don't keep horses either.
I know what eagles do in the wild, that is natural, it is not natural to keep a bird caged/tied up/in some way restricted.
"i always thought horses were wild ??"
Yes they were in the past (and insmall pockets around the world now) but I don't keep horses either.
Eagle_day
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"I don't think the people who suggested using birds of prey to hunt foxes didn't really think it through though"
It isn't anything new: golden eagles have been used to hunt foxes in Khazahstan for centuries.
And the first 'page' of the Bayeux Tapestry shows Harold hunting mounted with a bird of prey on his arm, using a pack of hounds to flush. Just as today, I'm sure a falconer was careful not to fly his bird in close proximity to the hounds.
It isn't anything new: golden eagles have been used to hunt foxes in Khazahstan for centuries.
And the first 'page' of the Bayeux Tapestry shows Harold hunting mounted with a bird of prey on his arm, using a pack of hounds to flush. Just as today, I'm sure a falconer was careful not to fly his bird in close proximity to the hounds.
Acolyte
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Oooh, my first venture into the Hunting Forum :shocked:
As an ex-falconer, LOL at that comment - the vast majority of birds of prey used in falconry are captive bred, therefore have never known a life where they have not been "restricted" in some way. My captive bred kestrel did a runner one day when I was flying her and nearly starved to death before I could re-capture her because she didn't know how to hunt.
I personally do dislike the multitude of pretty naff falconry displays you see around nowadays, but then I was brought up watching Jemima Parry-Jones - now there is someone who always did a good demo, but had the interests of the birds as her 100% priority
As an ex-falconer, LOL at that comment - the vast majority of birds of prey used in falconry are captive bred, therefore have never known a life where they have not been "restricted" in some way. My captive bred kestrel did a runner one day when I was flying her and nearly starved to death before I could re-capture her because she didn't know how to hunt.
I personally do dislike the multitude of pretty naff falconry displays you see around nowadays, but then I was brought up watching Jemima Parry-Jones - now there is someone who always did a good demo, but had the interests of the birds as her 100% priority
faerie666
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Just because it's nothing new doesn't mean it's a good idea.
I'm sure the odd bird of prey got killed hunting even in Harold's time or in Kazakhstan.
As I said I feel that killing something as big as a fox with a bird of prey has to be more cruel and a lot slower than letting a pack of hounds kill it.
Also, how exactly would you stop the hounds from killing the bird?
You say about not flying it in close proximity to the hounds, but if you're using hounds to flush, then the hounds will most likely be running after the quarry. So when do you let the bird go? If they are too close, by the reckoning of the falconer, do you then hold on to the bird and let the hounds kill the quarry? That would be breaking this stupid law we have at the moment. The hounds are only following their instincts to chase and kill, if a bird gets in their way they'll have that too I'm afraid.
Just wanted to say as well, I don't actually know much about falconry, so my argument is purely based on what my common sense tells me. If I've got it wrong and someone who actually hunts using birds and hounds want to correct me, I would appreciate that.
I'm sure the odd bird of prey got killed hunting even in Harold's time or in Kazakhstan.
As I said I feel that killing something as big as a fox with a bird of prey has to be more cruel and a lot slower than letting a pack of hounds kill it.
Also, how exactly would you stop the hounds from killing the bird?
You say about not flying it in close proximity to the hounds, but if you're using hounds to flush, then the hounds will most likely be running after the quarry. So when do you let the bird go? If they are too close, by the reckoning of the falconer, do you then hold on to the bird and let the hounds kill the quarry? That would be breaking this stupid law we have at the moment. The hounds are only following their instincts to chase and kill, if a bird gets in their way they'll have that too I'm afraid.
Just wanted to say as well, I don't actually know much about falconry, so my argument is purely based on what my common sense tells me. If I've got it wrong and someone who actually hunts using birds and hounds want to correct me, I would appreciate that.
Eagle_day
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And just because it's stood the test of time doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
Accidents happen in all sports - whether it's P2P racing or falconry. I've seen them in the former never in the latter, but in both sports I am certain the people involved are more concerned with the welfare of their animals than anything else.
Accidents happen in all sports - whether it's P2P racing or falconry. I've seen them in the former never in the latter, but in both sports I am certain the people involved are more concerned with the welfare of their animals than anything else.
dieseldog
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I think it is awful. I went out with a hunt that has one and I thought it was incredibly cruel having the poor thing stuck in a box on the back of a quad bike.
Eagle_day
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Cruel in what way?
I understand BOPs find the dark very restful.
I understand BOPs find the dark very restful.
dieseldog
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Would you like to be shut in a small wooden box and then driven at high speed across loads of fields on the back of a quad?
I hope you are right and I have got it completly wrong as I did feel sorry for it for quite a while. Be nice to know I needn't have worried.
I hope you are right and I have got it completly wrong as I did feel sorry for it for quite a while. Be nice to know I needn't have worried.
faerie666
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I know accidents happen in any sport, and you're right they most likely happen more often in pointing than they do in falconry. I'm not against hunting with birds of prey, I just can't see how it can be done safely for the bird when flushing with hounds.
And my other point is that surely, from the foxes perspective, being killed using a bird of prey is slower and therefore more cruel than the hounds killing it. So for me this just highlights how ridiculous this Hunting Act is.
Do you actually use an eagle to hunt then? Do you use hounds to flush? I'm asking as I'm genuinely interested in how it works, so that it's safe for the bird.
And my other point is that surely, from the foxes perspective, being killed using a bird of prey is slower and therefore more cruel than the hounds killing it. So for me this just highlights how ridiculous this Hunting Act is.
Do you actually use an eagle to hunt then? Do you use hounds to flush? I'm asking as I'm genuinely interested in how it works, so that it's safe for the bird.
tania01
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bop are travelled in boxes 90 % of bird life is sight so take that away and it wil calm down this is why hoods are used , but as for the back of the quad no no i doute it had any of its feathers in tact ,