Weezy
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How much are we talking from extracting to getting foal on the ground?
Embryo transfer
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PapaFrita
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In Argentina, if you've got your own surrogate mare, US$2000. Might've gone up since I last asked my vet uncle a year or so ago. It's HUGE business here what with all the polo playing mares around...
KenRehill
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Give Edward or Liz a call at twemlows, they are super and will be able to give you an exact cost.
Weezy
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Cheers to the both of you. Am just bandying ideas around ATM, not sure I want to take P off the road for breeding, so ET could be worth a risk this year and see what she throws.
Fahrenheit
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You should talk to Andy Pandy
Beaufort have an excellent reputation as well and they are alot closer to you than Twemlows.
Beaufort have an excellent reputation as well and they are alot closer to you than Twemlows.
Weezy
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I was rather hoping he would reply here - nice and local too
Fahrenheit
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ha ha... well I think it depends if he gets a look in at the computer, I here his OH is abit of a laptop hog...
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AP is doing my ETs this year...am really excited about it!!
AP is doing my ETs this year...am really excited about it!!
SSM
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A friend wanted a Donkey egg - the actual process was around £3,000 for the transfer I think - you would then have the 'pregnancy' costs to consider.
KenRehill
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I understand that the Beaufort are very good, but don't start until May. Which for me was just a bit odd (I understand that the vets don't arrive from Argentina until then), because in European terms you've missed half the season. Our first ET foal for this year arrives on Thursday, so you can see we get out of bed in January.
I recommend that people looking to ET get the mares under lights in January/February for a number of reasons. Earlier foals mean you're weaning in Autumn, not at Christmas. If using fresh semen, you get the better quality semen where waiting until May of June, the boys are starting to get a bit overused. You get the semen you want rather than the locals being served first. etc etc etc.
I recommend that people looking to ET get the mares under lights in January/February for a number of reasons. Earlier foals mean you're weaning in Autumn, not at Christmas. If using fresh semen, you get the better quality semen where waiting until May of June, the boys are starting to get a bit overused. You get the semen you want rather than the locals being served first. etc etc etc.
Anastasia
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ha ha... well I think it depends if he gets a look in at the computer, I here his OH is abit of a laptop hog...
**giggles**
AP is doing my ETs this year...am really excited about it!!
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Ooooooohhhhhhh..........is this your jumping mare?
ha ha... well I think it depends if he gets a look in at the computer, I here his OH is abit of a laptop hog...
AP is doing my ETs this year...am really excited about it!!
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Ooooooohhhhhhh..........is this your jumping mare?
Fahrenheit
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Ooooooohhhhhhh..........is this your jumping mare?
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Yes we are doing one from my jumping mare
also we are doing one from Mats new ride......a 4yo mare that he hasn't unveiled to the public yet (ooops did I just let the cat out of the bag! ha ha!), also have been offered an embryo from a PSG dressage mare, which I will take if its still on offer at the time but won't hold the owner to it, as alot of things can change between now and March/April!!
Ooooooohhhhhhh..........is this your jumping mare?
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Yes we are doing one from my jumping mare
Anastasia
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You are hopeless at keeping a secret......
ET just has no appeal to me personally, I would possibly do it for one foal a year (and the mare would have to be a world beater at that. Know that people are doing it from full sisters to world beaters, but that does not mean they themselves will breed the same), but not taking several foals off a mare each year.......just feel that was not what nature intended....
ET just has no appeal to me personally, I would possibly do it for one foal a year (and the mare would have to be a world beater at that. Know that people are doing it from full sisters to world beaters, but that does not mean they themselves will breed the same), but not taking several foals off a mare each year.......just feel that was not what nature intended....
Weezy
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For me it is simply a matter of economics - I want a foal off P for sure, but do I want to take her out of work and buy something else to tide me over...thats what keeps going round in my head, although at the end of the day I will prob consider it way too much hassle and just let her do it the natural way!
Anastasia
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Weezy from your point of view it may well be worth seeing in to, especially as you dont want to take your mare out of work, so I can fully understand that.
I was only talking from my own viewpoint, as for us it costs a lot of money having riding horses (as we have to send them to riders), so the less of them the better on our account.....
I was only talking from my own viewpoint, as for us it costs a lot of money having riding horses (as we have to send them to riders), so the less of them the better on our account.....
Fahrenheit
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Thats the reason I am doing it because I don't want to take the mare out of work as I think she has a very bright future ahead of her, the same with the rising 4yo she is looking very promising and it would be ashame for her not to have a career, this way I can hopefully get a foal from both and they can carry on with their careers and it gives some not so good mare a purpose in life being the recipient...
Judziah
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Beaufort have an excellent reputation as well and they are alot closer to you than Twemlows.
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My mare is a recipient mare at Beaufort...
...just a random fact which is of absolutely no use!!
Beaufort have an excellent reputation as well and they are alot closer to you than Twemlows.
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My mare is a recipient mare at Beaufort...
...just a random fact which is of absolutely no use!!
Bossanova
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The thingn that would put me off ET from something that isnt at the top of its discipline is the fact that the foal will have to be sold for much more money to cover the costs. I think breeders generally have a hard enough time trying to earn money on their foals without having to also re-coup the extra 2-3k added on if the mare has been ETd.
I would consider it if the mare is very precious to you (much safer!) or if you wanted to breed from something young and promising without taking a year out of their career.
I'd love to breed an ET baby from Moon but no way would it ever be worth enough money for it to be worthwhile until she has completed Badminton (give us time
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I would consider it if the mare is very precious to you (much safer!) or if you wanted to breed from something young and promising without taking a year out of their career.
I'd love to breed an ET baby from Moon but no way would it ever be worth enough money for it to be worthwhile until she has completed Badminton (give us time
KenRehill
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Correct, you need to think long and hard about whether a mre is actually good enough in terms of performance or genetics. There are not many mares that truly are, trust me. There are probably between 2 and 3000 ET's done per year in Europe, and I'm pretty sure that not all of those mares truly warrant having more than one foal per year.
It's a lot of money and you have to be sure that either you're doing it to provide yourself with super horses to work with in the future, or top class foals that will sell for a lot of money (unlikely in the UK).
It's a lot of money and you have to be sure that either you're doing it to provide yourself with super horses to work with in the future, or top class foals that will sell for a lot of money (unlikely in the UK).
Weezy
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I would use nothing but the best stallion I would be permitted to use - think Arco and Locarno. She has great breeding ( www.allbreedpedigree.com/lanjagold ). As for the costs...it would cost me a great deal more than £4000 to buy another horse to ride and enjoy, hence my thoughts of doing this instead. As I said, I am bandying ideas around ATM, but I do think she is worth breeding from, her persona is exemplary and would cool a hot head blood horse down a treat. Oh and she CAN jump!
Shilasdair
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I would use nothing but the best stallion I would be permitted to use - think Arco and Locarno. She has great breeding ( www.allbreedpedigree.com/lanjagold ). As for the costs...it would cost me a great deal more than £4000 to buy another horse to ride and enjoy, hence my thoughts of doing this instead. As I said, I am bandying ideas around ATM, but I do think she is worth breeding from, her persona is exemplary and would cool a hot head blood horse down a treat. Oh and she CAN jump!
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Regarding costs - it can be a good idea to jot down your estimated costs...including the stud fee, vet costs, extra feed, keep of additional mare, etc for the first year....and then the cost of keeping the youngster for 3 to 4 years before it can be ridden - it's all hideously expensive
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I would use nothing but the best stallion I would be permitted to use - think Arco and Locarno. She has great breeding ( www.allbreedpedigree.com/lanjagold ). As for the costs...it would cost me a great deal more than £4000 to buy another horse to ride and enjoy, hence my thoughts of doing this instead. As I said, I am bandying ideas around ATM, but I do think she is worth breeding from, her persona is exemplary and would cool a hot head blood horse down a treat. Oh and she CAN jump!
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Regarding costs - it can be a good idea to jot down your estimated costs...including the stud fee, vet costs, extra feed, keep of additional mare, etc for the first year....and then the cost of keeping the youngster for 3 to 4 years before it can be ridden - it's all hideously expensive
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AndyPandy
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How much are we talking from extracting to getting foal on the ground?
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Hello, sorry... have been a busy bunny (pics will be up soon)!
In my opinion, you are looking at:
The cost of the recipient mare, the cost of the semen, the cost of 1.5 AI packages (to cover scans for the recipient, which will hopefully go up to three cycles, the global average number requires to definitely get a pregnancy), cost of flush and transfer, pregnancy scans, standard care of the recipient while pregnanct, standard foaling and related costs.
If you can work it well, I'd say you could sort the whole lot for under £1500 for all the repro work, so then you just add cost of the recipient (if you don't already have her), and the semen etc. which you'd have to pay for anyway even if it wasn't an embryo transfer.
I don't think that ET should be at all limited to "only the best mares". I think it has a great deal of uses, and if you want to use ET to enable your mare to continue competing or avoid the dangers associated with pregnancy and parturition, then go for it!
How much are we talking from extracting to getting foal on the ground?
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Hello, sorry... have been a busy bunny (pics will be up soon)!
In my opinion, you are looking at:
The cost of the recipient mare, the cost of the semen, the cost of 1.5 AI packages (to cover scans for the recipient, which will hopefully go up to three cycles, the global average number requires to definitely get a pregnancy), cost of flush and transfer, pregnancy scans, standard care of the recipient while pregnanct, standard foaling and related costs.
If you can work it well, I'd say you could sort the whole lot for under £1500 for all the repro work, so then you just add cost of the recipient (if you don't already have her), and the semen etc. which you'd have to pay for anyway even if it wasn't an embryo transfer.
I don't think that ET should be at all limited to "only the best mares". I think it has a great deal of uses, and if you want to use ET to enable your mare to continue competing or avoid the dangers associated with pregnancy and parturition, then go for it!
Weezy
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Fanks matey
We need to do supper - are you guys round this way anytime soon?
We need to do supper - are you guys round this way anytime soon?