English Toy Terrier stud dog wanted

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I have a lovely ETT and am finding it very difficult to find a stud dog that I can use. The breeders only wnat to sell you their pups but own't let you use their dogs....closed society!
Thank goodness the horseworld isn't the same!! Do you know of a normal person who might accept a fee for mating?
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I have never even heard of an English Toy Terrier, so would assume they are quite rare
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Why won't the breeders let you use their dogs?
Have you had all the relevant health checks carried out? Is your bitch of good quality/lines?
Maybe they want to keep the numbers of the breed low, no bad thing in my opinion. Maybe there are no suitable dogs standing.
TBH if you approached me looking for a stud dog, any stud dog, or advertised wanting a mating over the internet it would put me off.
Maybe try a breed club for recommendations, if you are determined. Where did you get her from, can her breeders advise?

http://www.english-toy-terrier.co.uk/
 
Ditto HH. If a stud dog owner turns you away I suspect it is for a legitimate reason. Perhaps your bitch is too closely related to their dog, or not of sufficient quality. When I had a dog standing at stud I turned away more bitches to him than I accepted, and I did not try to sell the people a puppy instead, in most cases I tried to talk them out of breeding from their bitch. I would contact the breeder of your bitch for advice, I am sure she will be able to give you the names of suitable dogs .
 
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I have never even heard of an English Toy Terrier, so would assume they are quite rare
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ETT's are little black and tan jobs like Manchester Terriers but smaller? Echo what the others say - the stud dog owners are saying no for a reason, so you need to find out what that is? And it isnt just so they can sell you their puppies, breeders dont generally work like that
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My bitch is very well bred. The studs only seem to want to sell you their puppies and aren't even interested in covering outside bitches. They say they own the line and want to keep it that way!! I am getting desperate and don't want to buy a dog puppy as I have other bitches that I don't want to mate with! More like a closed shop to me and they are aking £800 upwards! And they won't let you breed from their puppies either!!!!
 
Sounds like they have the best interests of the breed at heart to me
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And surely that price is average for a well bred pedigree dog now? Certainly it is for the breeds I know about
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Their code of ethics quite clearly states that all puppies not sold to a breeder should be R endorsed. This is very common in breed societies, especially with the rarer breeds. This will include the dogs not just bitches so you will be very unlikely to find a dog standing at stud outside of the main breeders. Is your bitch R endorsed? Or have you had it removed? If you are determined you should go to a breeder and ask them if they think she is good enough quality to breed from and if they would consider allowing you to use their stud in exchange for a puppy to extend their lines. If she is good enough, there will be a breeder somewhere that will help you out, everyone has to start somewhere. But I would hazard a guess that without a few show wins under her belt she will be deemed not good enough to continue the line, rightly or wrongly.
 
I used to sell all my puppies R endorsed, and certainly not n a rare breed (GSD), I think it is something more and more responsible breeders are doing. OP if you really want to breed from your bitch I suggest the best person to contact for advice is her breeder.
 
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I used to sell all my puppies R endorsed, and certainly not n a rare breed (GSD), I think it is something more and more responsible breeders are doing. OP if you really want to breed from your bitch I suggest the best person to contact for advice is her breeder.

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Mine are too and also not a rare breed, I wasn't knocking it!
 
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I used to sell all my puppies R endorsed, and certainly not n a rare breed (GSD), I think it is something more and more responsible breeders are doing. OP if you really want to breed from your bitch I suggest the best person to contact for advice is her breeder.

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Mine are too and also not a rare breed, I wasn't knocking it!

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Oh no I realise you weren't. I was just agreeing with you that it was not an unusual thing to do, contrary to what the OP seemed to think.
 
I want to breed from her because she is delightful and she has continual phantom pregancies, to which the vet said it would be best to breed from her. I also want to know at least one side of the breeding and don't like introducing new dogs to the ones I already have if possible. I would keep all the bitches and just sell the dogs as wouldn't even consider inbreeding.
Can you imagine if the horseworld behaved like the ETT stud dog owners? There wouldn't be many horses about and people wouldn't bother with mares.
Not sure why I am not getting support ....
 
Imho the best cure for phantom pregnancies is having the bitch spayed. Having a litter won't necessary stop her having phantoms in future.
As one or two of us have said on here it is not just ETT breeders who restrict who uses their dog. In view of the vast problem of overproduction of horses maybe it would be a good idea if more stallion owners were selective about allowing mares to their stallions.
 
EEP! I would no way breed from a bitch that had repeat phantoms, the poor girl. Ours had one and she was spayed immediately. It is quite traumatic for them.

Sorry, I really disagree with that advice from your vet.
There are lots of delightful dogs out there, it doesn't mean we have to breed from them all just because they have reproductive organs.
 
You are not getting support from me because there are far far too many unwanted dogs in the country, without adding to their numbers.

If I can explain that further, I am sure that you will be a responsible breeder and find good homes for all your puppies - and will take them back without a murmur should the need arise - but that will be so many fewer homes available for the thousands of dogs in rescue kennels
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As someone who knows the showing/breeding scene rather better than I would wish (albeit in a different breed) I have seen the scenario over and over again where an owner says "but my bitch is lovely, and is beautifully bred" - yet someone within the breed looks at the pedigree and realises it is not! Of course that may well not be the case at all for you, but just maybe that is what the ETT breeders see when they dont want you to use their stud dogs?

BTW I cannot believe your vet - spaying is the answer to phantom pregnancies, not breeding from the bitch!
 
And sorry, Neversaydie, I would run a mile from a stud on a general pet website like that - if a reputable breeder advertises on their own website then all well and good, but sorry, that ad and most others on websites like that smacks of desperation.
 
If there are so many unwanted that dogs then why do breeders keep breeding? I have a considerable number of rescues and have already discussed the breeding of my bitch..all say she is well bred and she has won as a puppy. I am also aware that she could be spayed but why should I be deprived of the pleasure of a litter of pups? I have 30 years worth of JRTs at home, all homebred and all the dog puppies are with lifelong friends......maybe I should have stuck with them and not had the snobbiness of the pedigree world..which is extremely sad
 
I agree that a lot of bad mares are bred from but I am talking about a well bred, prize winning bitch and am aware she could be spayed
 
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If there are so many unwanted that dogs then why do breeders keep breeding? I have a considerable number of rescues and have already discussed the breeding of my bitch..all say she is well bred and she has won as a puppy. I am also aware that she could be spayed but why should I be deprived of the pleasure of a litter of pups? I have 30 years worth of JRTs at home, all homebred and all the dog puppies are with lifelong friends......maybe I should have stuck with them and not had the snobbiness of the pedigree world..which is extremely sad

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If I had a pound for every time I had asked that question I would be a millionaire by now
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Responsible breeders dont keep breeding indiscriminately - responsible showing people, for example, breed a litter to get their next champion, and find good homes for the remainder of the litter (usually with 'no breeding' caveats attached)

I personally have never found the showing world snobby, so maybe it is just the ETT people who are like that?
 
A lot of breeders (not all) keep breeding because it makes money.
We ourselves stopped breeding in the late 80s because the world has enough GSDs and we didn't want to contribute to the problem of overbreeding any more.
I doubt we shall ever breed again despite having owned some 'delightful' dogs bred in the purple.

I think you nailed it - why should YOU be denied the pleasure of a litter of pups. It's not about YOU.
What about your poor bitch? She runs the risk of health problems in later life if she continues to have repeat phantoms.
Like I say, our old bitch had one and I would never have subjected her to the risk of another.
(Edit in - she had already had two litters, one of which was healthy, the next resulted in a litter of dead pups, then the phantom)
ETA - winning prizes? I could show my female under certain judges and I could do very well with her, but I won't, because I know she is not good enough and she isn't typical of her breed standard and it would not be of benefit to her breed to do so.
Oh and I am not breeding her, either
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If there are so many unwanted that dogs then why do breeders keep breeding? I have a considerable number of rescues and have already discussed the breeding of my bitch..all say she is well bred and she has won as a puppy. I am also aware that she could be spayed but why should I be deprived of the pleasure of a litter of pups? I have 30 years worth of JRTs at home, all homebred and all the dog puppies are with lifelong friends......maybe I should have stuck with them and not had the snobbiness of the pedigree world..which is extremely sad

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Not quite sure what you mean by 30 years worth, do you mean several generations over 30 years - if so yes I have that too with my GSDs, but if I bought another breed I would not necessary expect to be an expert on it.
You ask why do breeders keep breeding if there are unwanted dogs, well maybe this is why the breeders/stud dog owners you have dealt with are being selective, so they can keep their lines going without overproducing.
 
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I personally have never found the showing world snobby, so maybe it is just the ETT people who are like that?

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Splotch, Shep people are not snobby, we're the pariahs of the pedigree world!!! We wear tracksuits in the ring and everything!
 
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Splotch, Shep people are not snobby, we're the pariahs of the pedigree world!!! We wear tracksuits in the ring and everything!

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Hmmmmm............yes...........well
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Ah well, CKCS people wear blingy waistcoats apparently
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I personally have never found the showing world snobby, so maybe it is just the ETT people who are like that?

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Splotch, Shep people are not snobby, we're the pariahs of the pedigree world!!! We wear tracksuits in the ring and everything!

Hmmmmm............yes...........well
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Ah well, CKCS people wear blingy waistcoats apparently
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Quick we need pictures
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Oh no, I have never SEEN the blingy waistcoats, someone from HHO who went to Crufts reported on them
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I avoid dog shows at all costs
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I can just imagine my mum's face if I asked her to photograph blingy waistcoats next time she is exhibiting
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Actually it might be worth it just for the "outraged doyenne of the breed" rant
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It would be like Trinny and Susannah vs the dog women all over again!
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Those primary colours... that make-up....
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