siennamiller
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are they ok together. Having major probs getting him to eat again! Such a pain
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epsm and speedibett
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Box_Of_Frogs
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SiennaM - I'm no expert but just wanted you to know people are thinking of you. As far as I know, Speedibeet should be fine as its unmolassed and is basically just fibre. I took on a rescued mare in the summer. She has significant ragwort poisoning and I have sought the best feeding advice in the world to make sure that the liver function she has left is protected. One piece of advice I had was that she could have a BUCKET of Speedibeet separate from her normal feed as it was just good quality fibre so I think it would be fine for your horsey-o. Just a thought but my other horse is 22 and he is now on Mollichaff Veteran chaff and he adores it! Again, it's just chaff based (oat straw) with added antioxidants and herbs and mint and nettles. It tempts any horse I've ever known as it smells deliciously of mint! Might be worth a try in tiny little-and-often feeds. Good luck x
YorkshireLass
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Unmolassed beet like speedybeetis an excellent food for an epsm horse.
If you are having trouble getting through the epsm hunger strikes I highly recomend adding a handful of dried mint or a handful of fenugreek seeds, or 150 mill of cider vinaegar to the mix. If you mix the dried fenugreek seeds or mint with a mug of boiling water the night before, then add the tea to the feed, itbrings outthe flavour and makes the suplement go further.
If you have built up to the required quantity of oil, ie, after you have established the horse on the diet, you might have sucess dropping the quantity of oil by half and then building up slowly over a few days.
What is important is that you get the oil in to the horse asap. Adding a bit of "naughty" food like molassed chaff, or just a good splodge of molasses can get them eating the oil again. The wean them off the molasses or the naughty 'cherry chaff' that my boy is so fond of!
My horse goes on hunger strike every few months. It is not the oil he objects to, butthe base feed. So, these days I pre-empt him by changing the base food (ie, the stuff I mix the oil with)
So far I have used...
Healthy Hooves from Dengie
Badminton High Fiber Complete Nuggets
Calm and Condition
Ride and relax.
Now I rotate these feeds and avoid alfalfa, like many horses, mine hates it!
If you think it is the oil, you can replace part of the oil with sunflower seeds (sold as bird food!)
Rice Bran (in an emergencey only because of the starch)
Bailies Calm and condition (ruinously expensive!)
Shall we satrt the EPSM Frustration Society?
If you are having trouble getting through the epsm hunger strikes I highly recomend adding a handful of dried mint or a handful of fenugreek seeds, or 150 mill of cider vinaegar to the mix. If you mix the dried fenugreek seeds or mint with a mug of boiling water the night before, then add the tea to the feed, itbrings outthe flavour and makes the suplement go further.
If you have built up to the required quantity of oil, ie, after you have established the horse on the diet, you might have sucess dropping the quantity of oil by half and then building up slowly over a few days.
What is important is that you get the oil in to the horse asap. Adding a bit of "naughty" food like molassed chaff, or just a good splodge of molasses can get them eating the oil again. The wean them off the molasses or the naughty 'cherry chaff' that my boy is so fond of!
My horse goes on hunger strike every few months. It is not the oil he objects to, butthe base feed. So, these days I pre-empt him by changing the base food (ie, the stuff I mix the oil with)
So far I have used...
Healthy Hooves from Dengie
Badminton High Fiber Complete Nuggets
Calm and Condition
Ride and relax.
Now I rotate these feeds and avoid alfalfa, like many horses, mine hates it!
If you think it is the oil, you can replace part of the oil with sunflower seeds (sold as bird food!)
Rice Bran (in an emergencey only because of the starch)
Bailies Calm and condition (ruinously expensive!)
Shall we satrt the EPSM Frustration Society?
JenHunt
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speedibeet or kwikbeet are fine for EPSM as they are unmollassed and full of digestible fibre.
one way of putting oil into the diet (if he's a bit fussy on it) is to use full fat soya or baileys outshine, as they are very low starch too, plus the protein in full fat soya is digestible and helps put some muscle back on if they have lost weight.
hope he's doing better.
one way of putting oil into the diet (if he's a bit fussy on it) is to use full fat soya or baileys outshine, as they are very low starch too, plus the protein in full fat soya is digestible and helps put some muscle back on if they have lost weight.
hope he's doing better.
sqippa
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Speedi beet is fine as in any unmolassed beet. I know how you feel it took ages for me to get Barnaby to eat his oil. 2 things changed this:
1) I changed from soya oil to rapeseed or corn based oils as they have less of a smell. He will not eat soya oil if I try to add it or have to borrow some if I run out but I only recently (6mths ago) worked this out!!
2) I swapped feed to simple systems and feed soaked luciebix which seems to absorb the opil very easily, then top up with dengi good doer.
He gets very little feed now by weight but it is still a huge belly filling tea! 250g of lucie bix makes plenti when soaked and a round scoop of good doer weighs very little. Bonus!!
Hope you can get him to eat it..this has been the most successful I've been and the first time his feed hasn't looked oily despite there being 350ml in each feed.
Sqip
1) I changed from soya oil to rapeseed or corn based oils as they have less of a smell. He will not eat soya oil if I try to add it or have to borrow some if I run out but I only recently (6mths ago) worked this out!!
2) I swapped feed to simple systems and feed soaked luciebix which seems to absorb the opil very easily, then top up with dengi good doer.
He gets very little feed now by weight but it is still a huge belly filling tea! 250g of lucie bix makes plenti when soaked and a round scoop of good doer weighs very little. Bonus!!
Hope you can get him to eat it..this has been the most successful I've been and the first time his feed hasn't looked oily despite there being 350ml in each feed.
Sqip
siennamiller
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thanks everyone-will try these suggestions
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