Depp_by_Chocolate
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Has anyone used these? They both sound the same but claim to be different from one another.
Did they work for your horse?
Did they work for your horse?
Equine Touch / Bowen Therapy
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Eira
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Friend is training to be an ET Practioner and is using Sol as a case study and I have definitely seen the benefit
amycov
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Faro is a Equine Bowen Therapist.
Maybe Pm her if you're after some more details?
Maybe Pm her if you're after some more details?
stacey_lou
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Personally I would never use Bowen the technique is more for horses before a problem occurs rather than once the problem is already there.But each to their own
Araminta
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Personally I would never use Bowen the technique is more for horses before a problem occurs rather than once the problem is already there.But each to their own
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Really - what makes you think that?
Personally I would never use Bowen the technique is more for horses before a problem occurs rather than once the problem is already there.But each to their own
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Really - what makes you think that?
Araminta
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Has anyone used these? They both sound the same but claim to be different from one another.
Did they work for your horse?
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They are very similar, the guy who started Equine Touch was a Bowen practitioner/ instructer for years so Im told.
Both can have very good results.
Has anyone used these? They both sound the same but claim to be different from one another.
Did they work for your horse?
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They are very similar, the guy who started Equine Touch was a Bowen practitioner/ instructer for years so Im told.
Both can have very good results.
Faro
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Hi FjordFan,
Equine Bowen Therapy and Equine Touch are both derived from the work of Tom Bowen. To very much simplify matters, they are both versions of what Tom Bowen taught to his "disciples" (for want of a better word) - with these "disciples", developing Tom Bowen's work further but each in their own respective ways.
Both Bowen and Equine Touch treatments work in almost the same way and will have a very similar effect, although the techniques do differ slightly. But ultimately, they both have the same intention - and that is for the good of the horse (and rider).
Happy-go-lucky is right in that Bowen/ET is a good treatment before an injury occurs, it really can improve the well-being as well as athletic performance of the horse, but I would stress that it is EQUALLY USEFUL AFTER an injury has taken place or a disorder been identified, as it has been shown to have a positive effect in many ways, due to the influence it has on the muscular, circulatory, lymphatic and nervous systems of the horse.
Equine Bowen Therapy and Equine Touch are both derived from the work of Tom Bowen. To very much simplify matters, they are both versions of what Tom Bowen taught to his "disciples" (for want of a better word) - with these "disciples", developing Tom Bowen's work further but each in their own respective ways.
Both Bowen and Equine Touch treatments work in almost the same way and will have a very similar effect, although the techniques do differ slightly. But ultimately, they both have the same intention - and that is for the good of the horse (and rider).
Happy-go-lucky is right in that Bowen/ET is a good treatment before an injury occurs, it really can improve the well-being as well as athletic performance of the horse, but I would stress that it is EQUALLY USEFUL AFTER an injury has taken place or a disorder been identified, as it has been shown to have a positive effect in many ways, due to the influence it has on the muscular, circulatory, lymphatic and nervous systems of the horse.
ESH
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Totaly agree with Faro! Couldn't have put it any better, but I'd just like to add that as they are such a gentle treatment they can be used on painful acute injuries.
stacey_lou
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I have used it before on my horse and it made no difference. I think the technique is harsh and rather than them working the muscel to work its self back to where is should be they force it back and then after a while it works its self back out again.I just think if you use this techinique to may times after a while it will cause more damage than good and its over the top. they say after bowen you cannot touch you horse for days lol whats that all about? Not only that my friend used bowen and iuts ruined her horses back. The only person I have tocuching my horses back in Gavin Schofield, the man is amazing and when he came he straight away reconised the problem and said I could ride after 3 days and I could defintly feel the difference and see it to I went from a horse that couldnt be tacked up and who was to tight to jump to a horse thats fine being tacked up and were now jumping at 3 feet again!
diggerbez
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i always wondered that- why can't you touch your horse after having bowen treatment? (not a criticism...just wondered
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stacey_lou
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I just think its so OTT But I wouldnt ever use it and never recommend it either. When Gavin came and done some treatment on my horse he said you can rider after 3 days and no problems. Bowen you cant even patt your horse after 3 days lol
Araminta
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I just think its so OTT But I wouldnt ever use it and never recommend it either. When Gavin came and done some treatment on my horse he said you can rider after 3 days and no problems. Bowen you cant even patt your horse after 3 days lol
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Who told you that you can't touch your horse for 3 days after a bowen treatment?
I hope your friend reported the practitioner who " ruined " her horses back after bowen treatment.
I don't know who you or your friend used but the whole principle of bowen is soft, gentle rolling type moves. I would never describe it as harsh
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but please at least get your facts right before trashing a certain type of therapy.
It is always down to the person whos hands are on the horse and if you have a problem with them and you feel the treatment has ruined your horse go to their organisation and make your complaint.
I just think its so OTT But I wouldnt ever use it and never recommend it either. When Gavin came and done some treatment on my horse he said you can rider after 3 days and no problems. Bowen you cant even patt your horse after 3 days lol
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Who told you that you can't touch your horse for 3 days after a bowen treatment?
I hope your friend reported the practitioner who " ruined " her horses back after bowen treatment.
I don't know who you or your friend used but the whole principle of bowen is soft, gentle rolling type moves. I would never describe it as harsh
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but please at least get your facts right before trashing a certain type of therapy.
It is always down to the person whos hands are on the horse and if you have a problem with them and you feel the treatment has ruined your horse go to their organisation and make your complaint.
diggerbez
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i only know about this 'not touching' thing coz a few horses on my yard have bowen therapy a couple of times a year and its always written all over their door in chalk that no-one is to stroke them coz they've "had treatment"
FWIW the people who have it on my yard rave about it....
FWIW the people who have it on my yard rave about it....
spaniel
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HGL whichever technique you are describing it most certainly is NOT Bowen. Ive never heard such a load of rubbish.
I suggest that anyone who is GENUINELY interested google (or whatever) and read the CORRECT descriptions relating to the bowen technique.
I cannot praise it highly enough in both horses and humans and both myself and my horses have benefited greatly from being treated by a qualified Bowen Therapist over the years.
It most certainly is NOT a technique which involves ANY sort of force whatsoever and is equally useful as a preventative as it is following the diagnosis of problems. Bowen saved from surgery that threatened to leave me wheelchair bound and my horses and those of many other people have had their lives enhanced by it too.
As a well qualified Sport Therapist specialising in biomechanics and someone who has used Bowen I feel Im in a position to comment.
I suggest that anyone who is GENUINELY interested google (or whatever) and read the CORRECT descriptions relating to the bowen technique.
I cannot praise it highly enough in both horses and humans and both myself and my horses have benefited greatly from being treated by a qualified Bowen Therapist over the years.
It most certainly is NOT a technique which involves ANY sort of force whatsoever and is equally useful as a preventative as it is following the diagnosis of problems. Bowen saved from surgery that threatened to leave me wheelchair bound and my horses and those of many other people have had their lives enhanced by it too.
As a well qualified Sport Therapist specialising in biomechanics and someone who has used Bowen I feel Im in a position to comment.
diggerbez
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no-one has answered why you aren't allowed to touch them yet?!! i'm not dissing it- just genuinely interested in the reasoning!
Araminta
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no-one has answered why you aren't allowed to touch them yet?!! i'm not dissing it- just genuinely interested in the reasoning!
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Ok, I can only speak for Equine touch but the "not touching" after a session is for 2 reasons.
1. A set pattern of moves are performed over the body with rest periods so the horse can "process" the effects of the move on their body.
When the session is over the horse is best left alone to allow the series of " moves" to take effect
2. When practitioners say " leave the horse to process" they don't really mean do not touch - it is just best to do the minimum with that horse ( ie rug back on and turnout) and not do a full groom or start patting the horse ( as the body may think you are putting in more patterns.
Most horses end the session in a deeply relaxed state so it is nice to just leave them alone to enjoy
I hope this makes sense. If you want to know more go to the equine touch website for more info
no-one has answered why you aren't allowed to touch them yet?!! i'm not dissing it- just genuinely interested in the reasoning!
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Ok, I can only speak for Equine touch but the "not touching" after a session is for 2 reasons.
1. A set pattern of moves are performed over the body with rest periods so the horse can "process" the effects of the move on their body.
When the session is over the horse is best left alone to allow the series of " moves" to take effect
2. When practitioners say " leave the horse to process" they don't really mean do not touch - it is just best to do the minimum with that horse ( ie rug back on and turnout) and not do a full groom or start patting the horse ( as the body may think you are putting in more patterns.
Most horses end the session in a deeply relaxed state so it is nice to just leave them alone to enjoy
I hope this makes sense. If you want to know more go to the equine touch website for more info
ESH
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Bowen is the same. I am a qualified Human therapist and have done ET level 1 & 2 for my own horses benefit.
The treatment is very gentle and no harm can be done by the moves, it is in no way a harsh treatment.
Araminta is correct as to why the "not touching". On Humans we ask them not to have massage or rub sore spots etc after a treatment for the same reason, it allows the treatment to be processed and continue to do its work.
If you were to start patting or grooming the horse it would be like a gentle massage.
Not riding after a treatment depends on what is going on with the horse to start with. I would never expect to ride my horse the day after any treatment. If it is just a general check up / routine treatment then one day off should be fine but If it has a lot of problems going on then it may be a few days off.
I have done a few moves to help relax my horse before a competition, so have obviously ridden straight after, but I know my horse and how he responds to the treatment and the moves I do are just enough to de stress him.
The treatment is very gentle and no harm can be done by the moves, it is in no way a harsh treatment.
Araminta is correct as to why the "not touching". On Humans we ask them not to have massage or rub sore spots etc after a treatment for the same reason, it allows the treatment to be processed and continue to do its work.
If you were to start patting or grooming the horse it would be like a gentle massage.
Not riding after a treatment depends on what is going on with the horse to start with. I would never expect to ride my horse the day after any treatment. If it is just a general check up / routine treatment then one day off should be fine but If it has a lot of problems going on then it may be a few days off.
I have done a few moves to help relax my horse before a competition, so have obviously ridden straight after, but I know my horse and how he responds to the treatment and the moves I do are just enough to de stress him.
diggerbez
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thanks ESH and Araminta!
stacey_lou
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The person who comes to our yard shes does the YO competition horses tells ppl not to let other people touch your horse for days and then you have to ride but only in walk after a week and you cant pat them its all Ott
Araminta
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The person who comes to our yard shes does the YO competition horses tells ppl not to let other people touch your horse for days and then you have to ride but only in walk after a week and you cant pat them its all Ott
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Then I guess the person you describe is not either a Bowen or Equine touch practitioner
The person who comes to our yard shes does the YO competition horses tells ppl not to let other people touch your horse for days and then you have to ride but only in walk after a week and you cant pat them its all Ott
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Then I guess the person you describe is not either a Bowen or Equine touch practitioner
shadowboy
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My YO is a bowen therapist both human and equine and i have been treated as well as my horses and we have clients coming up to the yard for treatments. Its never harsh etc. When I have a treatment Im told to rest and relax- watch tv/have a nap etc for a few hourse to let the muscles absorb what has happened. Horse is recomended not to be ridden for 48 hours for the same purpose. I and horses have never felt pain etc from treatment.
ESH
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When I have a treatment I can sometimes ache for a few days after, this is due to the body re-balancing and muscles relaxing from where they have been tight. So if the horses feel the same I can totaly understand why they should be only lightly excercised.
HGL I would be interested to know the therapist you have at your yard who only allows them to walk for a week. It could be there is some real issues with the horse concerned or it could be the therapist is being a bit over cautious.
When my mare first ever had a treatment 6 years ago she had real problems (I knew that) and I was told not to ride her between the first 2 weekly treatments and then after the 2nd treatment she was allowed in walk only for a week and then we gradually increased the work.
I would like to point out that all equine Bowen must be qualified in Humans first, I don't think the same is true for ET although they do cover some Human work on their course.
HGL I would be interested to know the therapist you have at your yard who only allows them to walk for a week. It could be there is some real issues with the horse concerned or it could be the therapist is being a bit over cautious.
When my mare first ever had a treatment 6 years ago she had real problems (I knew that) and I was told not to ride her between the first 2 weekly treatments and then after the 2nd treatment she was allowed in walk only for a week and then we gradually increased the work.
I would like to point out that all equine Bowen must be qualified in Humans first, I don't think the same is true for ET although they do cover some Human work on their course.
stacey_lou
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i dont know but I wouldnt let anyone touch my horse with that techique. I has some one else out end of summer last year to give my horse a massage and she had him bucking ans rearing whilst just tied up which he never ever does! she had the bloody nerve to tell me that my horse was in poor condition which he is soooooo not and that hes older than I said he was needless to say I told her to sod off and never come near my horse again! Which is why I like to stick with Gavin hes amazing and so worth to money
Araminta
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i dont know but I wouldnt let anyone touch my horse with that techique. I has some one else out end of summer last year to give my horse a massage and she had him bucking ans rearing whilst just tied up which he never ever does! she had the bloody nerve to tell me that my horse was in poor condition which he is soooooo not and that hes older than I said he was needless to say I told her to sod off and never come near my horse again! Which is why I like to stick with Gavin hes amazing and so worth to money
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Well of course it is up to you as to who you have to treat your horse.
I would just like to point out the following from my point of view.
1. If you had someone out to give your horse a massage and your horse was rearing and bucking while tied up the therapist was not doing a good job. No one I know would attempt to treat a horse for the first time while it was tied up - they would want the owner/handler to hold it.
2. As I said before, If you were unhappy with the treatment your horse was recieving then you should have reported them to their pro body.
3. If you felt the therapist was rude to you about your horse then again, you should have reported her.
I take it this was a fully qualified person who was recomended by your vet ? If not why would you allow an unqualified person anywhere near your horse? If said person was treating your horse without your vets permission both you and the therapist were breaking the law!
i dont know but I wouldnt let anyone touch my horse with that techique. I has some one else out end of summer last year to give my horse a massage and she had him bucking ans rearing whilst just tied up which he never ever does! she had the bloody nerve to tell me that my horse was in poor condition which he is soooooo not and that hes older than I said he was needless to say I told her to sod off and never come near my horse again! Which is why I like to stick with Gavin hes amazing and so worth to money
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Well of course it is up to you as to who you have to treat your horse.
I would just like to point out the following from my point of view.
1. If you had someone out to give your horse a massage and your horse was rearing and bucking while tied up the therapist was not doing a good job. No one I know would attempt to treat a horse for the first time while it was tied up - they would want the owner/handler to hold it.
2. As I said before, If you were unhappy with the treatment your horse was recieving then you should have reported them to their pro body.
3. If you felt the therapist was rude to you about your horse then again, you should have reported her.
I take it this was a fully qualified person who was recomended by your vet ? If not why would you allow an unqualified person anywhere near your horse? If said person was treating your horse without your vets permission both you and the therapist were breaking the law!
stacey_lou
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She was recommended at a show and she had all her quallifcations so naturally I asumed she would be good but apparntly I was wrong.! If I knew who to report her to I would but but I didnt and still dont. It was a just a little massage I wanted just to relive any tension after a summer of shows. But now I know better.
Araminta
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She was recommended at a show and she had all her quallifcations so naturally I asumed she would be good but apparntly I was wrong.! If I knew who to report her to I would but but I didnt and still dont. It was a just a little massage I wanted just to relive any tension after a summer of shows. But now I know better.
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Well, if she has all her qualifications then she will have done the training and taken and passed her exams. Therefore, she will have known what she was doing.
Glad you have found someone you like now.
She was recommended at a show and she had all her quallifcations so naturally I asumed she would be good but apparntly I was wrong.! If I knew who to report her to I would but but I didnt and still dont. It was a just a little massage I wanted just to relive any tension after a summer of shows. But now I know better.
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Well, if she has all her qualifications then she will have done the training and taken and passed her exams. Therefore, she will have known what she was doing.
Glad you have found someone you like now.
stacey_lou
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Thats what I thought but my horse never rears ever! and for her to say what she did I was like how dare you!
And thanks, so glad I have someone good for him now,
And thanks, so glad I have someone good for him now,
Spellbound
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Happy Hack am glad you have found a practioner that works for you.
I am very pro equine physio, massage and the range of therepies these cover.
My mare had a horrific past and shortly after owning her she broke a hind leg and also had to have some very major and invasive surgery at Liphook. Once she recovered we had to move on to rehab and an exercise plan. More problems started nobody and I mean nobody could get her to use herself correctly, carry herself forwards rebuild muscle or anything. Vets were baffled (this includes one of the UK leading surgeons). I had almost decided to write my 9year old off as a field ornanment.
Then steps in an equine physio, after one session I was amazed by the difference in her. She did receive intensive treatment and is now on a maintenacne programme and has been for years. I am 110% convinced that the physio saved my girl. When Liphook finally signed her off they were totally astounded at how much she had improved and is sound and has been without any use of bute. Her muscles are all correct and there isn't any stiffness in her. I have no doubt that physio and massage makes a huge difference to any horse. If the practioner is good then the treatment is fantastic. I would advise anyone to get a fully qualified physio to look at their horse. Horses enjoy the massage lets face it even if you just hack your mount is still an athelete.
I feel very lucky to have found my practioner who covers a massive area in the south east, is always on the end of the phone to offer advice and fits you in as soon as possible. I truly believe that thanks to them I have a horse that has fantastic free flowing movement and muscles that would make Sly Stallone envious.
As for treating a horse tied up, what a bad bad practioner that could be, not even my vet sees a horse tied up as you never know if you hit a spot and they pull back, twine doesn't always break.
I am very pro equine physio, massage and the range of therepies these cover.
My mare had a horrific past and shortly after owning her she broke a hind leg and also had to have some very major and invasive surgery at Liphook. Once she recovered we had to move on to rehab and an exercise plan. More problems started nobody and I mean nobody could get her to use herself correctly, carry herself forwards rebuild muscle or anything. Vets were baffled (this includes one of the UK leading surgeons). I had almost decided to write my 9year old off as a field ornanment.
Then steps in an equine physio, after one session I was amazed by the difference in her. She did receive intensive treatment and is now on a maintenacne programme and has been for years. I am 110% convinced that the physio saved my girl. When Liphook finally signed her off they were totally astounded at how much she had improved and is sound and has been without any use of bute. Her muscles are all correct and there isn't any stiffness in her. I have no doubt that physio and massage makes a huge difference to any horse. If the practioner is good then the treatment is fantastic. I would advise anyone to get a fully qualified physio to look at their horse. Horses enjoy the massage lets face it even if you just hack your mount is still an athelete.
I feel very lucky to have found my practioner who covers a massive area in the south east, is always on the end of the phone to offer advice and fits you in as soon as possible. I truly believe that thanks to them I have a horse that has fantastic free flowing movement and muscles that would make Sly Stallone envious.
As for treating a horse tied up, what a bad bad practioner that could be, not even my vet sees a horse tied up as you never know if you hit a spot and they pull back, twine doesn't always break.