Etiquette/manners question - what would you do?

PolarSkye

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I've had Kal since Jan of last year and since about May/June of that year the young woman who taught me at the RS I used to go to has been teaching me privately and schooling Kali for me. We have now moved him to the yard where she is YM and my livery agreement includes her schooling him three times per week. She has done absolute wonders with him and is now very fond of him. She is the only person, other than me, who rides him and the only person who has ever schooled him since I bought him. She's taken him from a green, unbalanced and distrustful stresshead to a balanced, more willing, chilled out boy.

In the past six months we've been talking about her taking him out and competing . . . but various things have gotten in the way (injury, yard moves, house moves, etc.). About a month or so ago, she said she wanted to take him to a local show to enter a jumping class. I readily agreed, and entered him in the class. A week or so ago, she said she couldn't go b/c it's a bank holiday weekend and her OH would pitch a fit about her doing something horsey during their rare time together. I was very disappointed, but said I understood. I was chatting to YO's daughter (K) about this - who has known and worked with my trainer since they were both preteens - and she said she'd love to take Kal but didn't want to step on J's toes or upset her. Long story short, squared it with J and K is taking him. She's riding him today to get a feel for him.

So . . . the question is . . . should I pay K or get her something as a token thank you? She's doing me a favour - will box Kal up with her horse so I don't have sort transportation - and she has her own lovely WB so certainly doesn't "need" the ride. I should also say that K is a very proficient rider (spent almost a year at the Schockemohle's yard in Germany as a working pupil), so Kal would be getting quite an education/would benefit from K riding him. I wouldn't have paid J, but she gets paid to school him anyway - she loves riding him and I pay all her entry fees, etc. (she took him round Tweseldown last weekend). Plus, I'm always buying J little token thank yous . . .

I feel like I should give K something - but I want to be careful about not upsetting J. And what is appropriate? A £20 gift certificate? A bottle of wine? A cheque? A card?

What would you do?

P
 
I wouldn't have changed the rider unless the suggestion had come from J, so that's no help to you.

As for paying K, well you will of course offer to pay at least half the fuel, you could ask K what her usual fee is on top of that.
 
It sounds to me like she offered (even asked?) to ride him so I wouldn't offer to pay her. I'd pay the entry fee, offer money for fuel and maybe take a nice picnic for the day?
 
I wouldn't have changed the rider unless the suggestion had come from J, so that's no help to you.

As for paying K, well you will of course offer to pay at least half the fuel, you could ask K what her usual fee is on top of that.

J had already asked K to help with his jump schooling and if she would sit on him (cleared with me) - so she respects K's riding and trusts her with Kali (as do I). I wouldn't trust anyone else (other than J) BUT K to sit on him and I was crystal clear with J that if she wasn't happy, then I K wouldn't be riding him.

I am already paying for ALL of the fuel - which will be negligible as the show is just 5 mins up the road - some of the liveries are hacking to the showground. K doesn't compete other people's horses - she has two of her own - so she doesn't have a "fee." Also, she asked to take him (she thinks alot of him).

I suppose I could just ask K how much she wants me to pay her . . . just seems a bit "transactional" and I was thinking more about a way to show my appreciation, rather than just reimbursing her (the two seem separate to me).

Does that make sense? I am trying to do the right thing here.

P

P.S. K also used to teach me (before she went to Germany, when I switched to J) and we are friends (as are J and I). Neither relationship is a simple teacher/student one . . . I socialize with both of them.
 
I wouldn't pay K... it sounds from what you've said that she asked you if she could take him, rather than offering to do you a service. Unless it was positioned clearly as her doing you a professional service then I'd see it as a favour for a friend.

I'd give her some money for petrol and buy her a bottle of wine and some chocolates.
 
It sounds to me like she offered (even asked?) to ride him so I wouldn't offer to pay her. I'd pay the entry fee, offer money for fuel and maybe take a nice picnic for the day?

Yes, was already planning on taking lunch for us . . . and for our friends who are coming to support "Team Kali."

And, yes, she did ask to ride him/take him. Which is why I asked the question.

P
 
Ditto above really just be generally nice and helpful at the event and I'm sure she won't expect £££ for it - to be honest if I ever ride for someone else I feel really uncomfortable when offered cash - I do it for the fun of it !!
 
I wouldn't pay K... it sounds from what you've said that she asked you if she could take him, rather than offering to do you a service. Unless it was positioned clearly as her doing you a professional service then I'd see it as a favour for a friend.

I'd give her some money for petrol and buy her a bottle of wine and some chocolates.

She ASKED to take him - her words were "I would love to take him . . . " and it didn't feel to me as though it was positioned as her performing a professional service.

P
 
Ditto above really just be generally nice and helpful at the event and I'm sure she won't expect £££ for it - to be honest if I ever ride for someone else I feel really uncomfortable when offered cash - I do it for the fun of it !!

OK - so aside from petrol/diesel money and providing lunch (I've already paid the entry fee), I'll probably get her a gift certificate for the local tack shop so she can put it towards something for her/horses.

P
 
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