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Looking for event stallion suggestions for my mare. Looking to add some height (she's 16/1hh) and refine her a bit as she is quite chunky! Definitely needs to have a calm temperament and be fairly level headed. Would prefer something with a proven record but would consider a younger stallion! Will add photos in a minute, when I work out how!!
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Chilli Morning is super and very trainable. However, if Mary King cant ride him, what hope do amateurs have with his offspring?!

Weston Justice would be my recommendation, his stock are out there proving themselves
 
Thankyou, will have a look at both of those! Hopefully some photo's?
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She's a substantial mare isn't she? What is her breeding?
NIce.
I would reccomend Watermill Swatch, he is a light refines type adn should refine and add blood to your mare.
To be honest any TB would do that but WS might give you the best chance of a lighter model. He is performance tested, and is beautifully bred. DEffo a performer, and looked biddable to me whenever I have seen him.
Obe of the calmest, most bidable stallions I have ever seen is Riyalan. He is a TB and nicely bred. There is a pic of him on this site, he is a lot more uphill in real life:
http://www.abcsporthorses.com/stallions.html
His foals tend to be tall and with bone so might be a good choice if you don't want to lose too much substance.
Good luck!
 
TheMule said:
Chilli Morning is super and very trainable. However, if Mary King cant ride him, what hope do amateurs have with his offspring?!

Weston Justice would be my recommendation, his stock are out there proving themselves
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I would also have suggested Weston Justice if the OP hadnt asked to add height as he has lots of stock out there now.
CM is 16.3 and has been sucessful with 2 men on board but it may have been a bit differant if Mary had had him from the word go and not already trained to 3* by someone else.
 
I'm a Mill Law fan and if I were breeding this year I would repeat the cross that has already produced me a super foal. My mare isn't huge at just about 16h and he's not overly tall either at 16.1h, but the filly (now a yearling) is going to be taller than either of them.

Again, not another huge one, but at 16.1 and a half I'd also be seeing if I could source some Catherston Dazzler semen.

But that's just me and what would suit my mare - you need to think about what else, other than size, you want the stallion to bring to the party. If you think your mare is too chunky (from the pictures I'm not sure I would think that, but there isn't a side on conformation one to be fair) then maybe a pure TB such as Power Blade?
 
Bedlam said:
But that's just me and what would suit my mare - you need to think about what else, other than size, you want the stallion to bring to the party. If you think your mare is too chunky (from the pictures I'm not sure I would think that, but there isn't a side on conformation one to be fair) then maybe a pure TB such as Power Blade?
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I liked the look of Watermill Swatch but he's movement doesn't particularly WOW me, especially his canter (something I would like to improve on my mare)

For me she isn't too chunky but I would prefer a slightly refined foal, as she is heavier then she looks in the photo's. Unfortunately that diagonal photo is the closest I have to a side on conformation photo.

Love Chilli Morning, however he looks much sharper than what I am looking for, for this mare!

Weston Justice and Mill Law have been added to the list!

Thankyou for all your suggestions so far!!
 
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If I were looking for a stallion, which I'm not, and assuming that I had a mare with Ability, a Will to work, and hopefully a bit of breeding behind her, then I suspect that I'd be looking at the Haras du Brullemail (SP!) horses, Jaguar Mail, and his companions, or I'd try to source a well proven NH stallion.

Event riders tell us that they want blood in their mounts, but then we all seem to use Flat Bred horses. Someone on here, who's opinion I respect, said that if you breed the jump out of a horse, it's the devil's own job getting it back, and she was right.

The problem with so many of these NH producing stallions, are that A/ They're in Ireland, B/ They're mind numbingly expensive, and C/ They will probably only be natural cover, so shipping chilled semen is generally out of the question, especially as the Irish tend not to bother with semen export, as they might.

Event breeding continues to be the lottery which other disciplines seem to have almost overcome. Why it should be so, I can't say. Perhaps it's the value of the horse itself. Take a genuine 4* Event mare who has succeeded and been placed, Internationally, she's at the peak of her career, and lets assume that she's still relatively young, what would she be worth £150k? Perhaps something like that. Take the very same mare who's at the same International level, but as a show jumper or a dressage horse, what would she be worth? £1 million?

Event breeding needs a focused approach which it still doesn't have. There are those who make the effort, I grant you, but the success rates seem, to me anyway, to rely upon luck, to too great an extent.

What we need is someone, or a group to fund the purchase of a top class NH colt, and then leave him entire, and produce him. That's how many of the SF stallions arrive, so why not the best of our own NH Jumping TBs?

Is all of the above a bit simplistic? Probably!! :D

Alec.
 
I like your thinking Alec! I was musing over much the same thing whilst watching the GN last week. Couldn't help looking at them all before the race and drooling over the prospect of getting my hands on them as eventers.......

But then we started discussing that the removal of the roads and tracks and steeplechase phases has perhaps reduced the need for quite so much blood? Has the requirement for movement to gain higher dressage scores influenced the move away from this type of horse and towards the warmblood?

I suppose ideally you'd want the movement and power of a warmblood, the endurance of an arab and the speed and toughness of a good NH horse. I would also like to add in the mind and 5th leg of a good native pony.

As the sport changes, then so will the animals that are bred for it. Last year my foal (I'm not a big breeder - lol!) was pure event bred. Mostly TB with a fair splash of ID and a dash of arab. This year I've played with a warmblood SJ stallion - allbeit with a TB heritage - on my 3/4 TB 1/4 ID mare. Ideally I would like a filly so that I could go on to cross back to a full TB....but she's holding on to foal so I suspect a colt is on the way!
 
Do you need taller? She looks the right size for you?
Even though your mare has substance she looks quite rangy to me so I would want quite a compact stallion to shorten her up a bit as well as refining.

Sula Blue really caught my eye at a stallion parade this year, he is full tb and has a good BE record behind him.
If you google him there are lots of videos and you can see his BE record.

Primitive Academy might be worth a look if you don't need proven eventing record? He has raced and retired sound and looks a lovely model and shows good scope over a fence with nice paces to boot.
The foals I've seen look really nice quality but I don't think he has much older progeny to look at yet.
Denounce is also at Louella and his youngstock look well stamped?
 
There's not a lot out there that would meet that criteria, there should be, but there isnt!
Jaguar mail should tick all the boxes but I haven't been impressed with his offspring and he doesn't seem to add height. Chilli morning is outstanding and his foals look super you'd have to see what kind of temperament he is passing on.
High Tension would refine and the temperament of his stock is just super just want to please and do the right thing, and never question you. Really fab balanced canters too, and he has had a fair few 17 handers out of smaller mares.
 
That's given me a lot to think about!!
I wasn't overly keen on jaguar mails offspring, seem to be fairly average! and chilli morning looks like he passes on his sharp temprement!
Not heard of high tension, will have a look at him now.

Not me in either picture, I'm 6ft (mainly legs!) so would prefer 16.2/3 something especially if it will be finer built! But Sula Blue has been added to the list :)

I do like the look of Mr Big Cat but he seems to have disappeared off the face of the planet?? and no one at Team Fredericks was that forthcoming about where he is now! Anyone have any ideas?
 
What about Broadstone Landmark, hes provne in every way. He has evented at 2* before injury, his 3/4 brother Lando won silver at sidney olympics. He is the the sire of grade a sj and advanced eventers inc NZB Land Vision and adds quality to the foals aswell as refinign them, plus i think its his last year at public stud this year. My foal form this year is by him out of my 2* event mare and is stunning:)
 
Thanks for the mention of my boy Weston Justice, he does bring to the table most of what you want and actually a lot of his youngsters are over 16.2hh. He has one 5 year old standing 16.1hh out of a 14hh mare. High Tension, Mill Law and Revolution also would do the job all having stock out there doing the job. While regular breeders can have a punt one young sires I do think one offs need to have the whole package. You are only shortening the odds in breeding but the shorter the better for that want to keep foal.
I could start a whole new thread on event breeding but suffice to say we are alive and kicking but we need to get are marketing upto speed, ours are just as good as the continentals and Irish we just lack confidence in believing that, not helped by the media constantly hammering on about buying abroad.
 
A young stallion to consider is Craig. He has a super temperament and his owner is producing him herself and she is an amateur. He is a really smart lad
 
I'd go TB myself - look at Louella Stud or Vauterhill Stud for some very reasonable and really lovely TB types.

Vauterhill have a new boy this year called Fantastic Spain - 17hh in his socks and a really cracking type.
 
Thankyou everyone for all the suggestions! given me tonnes of research to do :)

Another member has suggested Primitive Faerie Tale, but can't find much on his offspring? Anyone know about temp/height of them?
 
I was looking for similar last year but didnt want to add height as my mare is 16.3, shortlist was Mill Law, saw him at twemlows and lovely temp and proven, revolution, or sir sauve (by revolution), and in the end went with Future Illusion, not proven as young but good lines, had a lovely temp and confirmation wise suited my mare to compact her more and add refinement, due in june so fingers crossed! Goodluck!
 
brownswiss said:
Tolan R is my choice this year and I think he will give you what you are looking for.
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Would seem a strange choice to produce an eventer? Personally, I hate how he is put together but appreciate he can jump, I just cant see how he would make an event horse...
 
Hi

The Advanced Event Stallion Take it 2 the Limit has a wonderful laid back temperament, but is bold cross Country. He has numerous stock on the ground doing well eventing and showjumping. He was originally at Hartpury but is now at Glenwood stud. Look at their website there is lots of video and pictures of him and his youngstock



Regards
 
brownswiss said:
Tolan R is my choice this year and I think he will give you what you are looking for.
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I had seen a couple of Tolan R's progeny eventing and also seen Tolan R in action in sj. He is very brave with good elasticity and ground covering stride.

I got my mare linear profiled and also got Tolan R's linear profile and they compliment each other.
 
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