Eventing Snobbery

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Does anyone else find that some people BE Event just for the kudos of saying so or so they can pretend to be better then they are?

I may be in danger of ranting here so bear with me ;)

I have friends that event for a living, up to high levels and are successful and I have friends who are one horse owners like myself and compete at the lower levels. I have great respect for those that do well, In fact I am exceedingly proud of some of my friends and amongst that pride is a little thing that says if they can do it, maybe one day so can I :).
I also have respect for those that give it a bash even if it doesnt go to plan!! If anything I don't push myself enough so I think fair play to those who are brave enough to give it a go and if goes tits up, they laugh about it, go back to the drawing board before attempting again then also fair play, sometimes you don't know untill you try!

What really irritates me are those people who event who look down their nose at me and think i'm a lesser person because I don't. I can't stand those people who pretend to be better then they are. I'm not talking about posters on here because generally I find people on here very supportive no matter what discipline or level. I'm talking about people in Real life.

One person said to me 'yah, I plan to go Novice by the end of the season, what are your plans?'. Me 'umm not sure really, have fun, do some ror showing a bit of BS and maybe a BE80 on a ticket', them 'oh how sweet! Good for you' in what had to be the most patronising way ever. Also they then became decidedly less interested in talking to me!

I then got home, had a nosey at their BE record and had a good giggle at the fact they got eliminated in all bar one of their intros last year. I did feel very ticked off though about their dismissive way with me.

I also know pushy mothers who want to move their children off our yard where me and the others 'play' around to put their daughters somewhere where they can be around 'real' riders and eventers. I've had it said to me 'why aren't you eventing, surely your horse should be pre-novice by now' (he's 5 rising 6).

I know I should just igore it and my strength should be to carry on doing what I want to do and what I think is best but my sensitive confidence cannot helped but be knocked by these comments.

It always seems to me that the snobby ones are the ones without the record to back it up? If I do my BE80 on a ticket i'm going to blimin make sure I'm going to do well and if I don't I will be mortified and I will stop, figure out where it went wrong and I wont try again untill I know its 100% right. I'd rather do an unaffilliated competition well then crash round a BE event and be pleased because my horse had 3 poles down in the showjumping and 2 stops on the XC. I certainly then wouldnt be bragging about how I 'event'. I would be mortified if I had that sort of result, I would think i'd better blimin well pull my socks up and practice more before I attempted another one, i'd probably toss and turn at night and worry about how I was ruining my horse.

My bothersome feelings about this probably come from myself wishing I could be more gung-ho about things but I also just feel cross that 1. they can look down their nose at me when at least I finished the end of last season with a horse that was more confident then when he started even if it was over 2ft9 and 2.Don't they don't realise the damage they are doing to their horse? Don't they care that their horse is now stopping?

Hmpf!!!
 

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Hmmm u will have to bare with me as this could turn into a rant. I have 2 examples of this which have cut me quite close to the quick!

People who live near me event, they were all "kissy kissy" with me until i turned down their offer to get involved in their clique and use the same instructors they do. (Happy with the people who teach and would much rather stay out of horse politics) They know blank me at events and other things that i really cant be bothered getting into. However when i drove past their house and one of my instructors was having a chat with them (well known Scottish eventer), they were all waves and smiles...pathetic really! Its really made my blood boil!

Same with someone who mentioned the fact i was doing a prelim test when aiming for Novice Eventing! Yes..we are that cr@p and i am trying to get better! But horse and me need as much bl00dy practice as possible so if that means prelim and novice dressage test then so be it!

aaaargh
 

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Funnily I have found the more they brag the less impressive their record :rolleyes:

I know at least 4 people well who have evented at 4 star level and they are also the ones least likely to blow their own trumpet! In fact a couple of them I had known for ages before I found it out.

The thing I find most amusing is the ones that are less than truthful about their records - I sometimes wonder if they really believe their own hype?! Who do they think they are fooling? They are often to be found with their own little entourage too, doting parents, trainer etc and have a hissy fit if expected to actually do any menial tasks like tacking up themselves. I cannot stand any kind of snobbery so tend to keep well away and smirk quietly when I beat them :D
 

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Actually its not just eventing folks.. I have evented previously and found everyone very friendly and helpful, albeit I did only get as far as Novice. However, with every equine discipline, there are always people who say "I am going to be jumping x by the end of the season, qualified for y". Those that say, very rarely do! I used to be in awe when, years ago I started competing my horse and thought getting round a 2.9" course the ultimate goal. Totally squashed by all the "I will be jumping opens this season".

till next year, we were aiming for opens and the others .. were still jumping 2.9". With all the equine people I have met, the ones who talk a lot never EVER come up to scratch! Just take a deep breath, feel sorry that these people have been brought up SO badly (very smug and highly satisfying to take this stance I promise you!), and enjoy what you are doing.

BTW - the higher end of the prelims are not the far off Novice eventing dressage anyway, "just" need to get the medium trot sorted.
 

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Glad i'm not the only one. Unfortunatly I think these people are only too common, oh well more fool them, they obviously have complexs or they wouldn't brag?

I love my horse too much to pretend to be something i'm not, it's also far too easy to end up on the floor these days! Pride comes before a fall and all that!
 

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I am afraid thats life people are like that.
Luckily as you get older you learn to take everything with a pinch of salt.
However at one event last year I had enough of a mother standing next to me going on about all the expensive horses they had bought only for her little darling to get eliminated in the SJ.She exclaimed what is going on ,and I just suggested that rather than buy expensive ponies she should spend some money on riding lessons for the brat.
 

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Thanks Luci07! Just hit a nerve really! I am the first to hold my hands up and say "yes my dressage is cr@p" But at least i am getting out there and "trying" to improve it, even if its only by a couple of marks!

I was so so pleased that i got over 50% for my Novice test! I am sure a lot of people would of thought that was slightly pathetic! x
 

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My much loved mare hated dressage with a complete passion. According to my very tolerant dressage trainer, I had 20 minutes (inc warm up) before she would bust a gasket. However on the basis that she was fantastic jumping we stuck with it. I would get comments like "obviously loves her jumping" as my mare would overbend horrendously, back end trailing out miles behind and snort all the way round, or "now go and enjoy the rest of the day" as we did the quickest salute known to man before exiting somewhat abruptly. So, next time someone feels free to critique, I would put money on the fact that they are not doing/have never ridden at Novice!
 

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hmm, you could see my boys face literally drop when he got off the lorry to do dressage a few weeks ago! Could see him thinking "woooeee jump time, where are the jumps mum......oh dear that looks like a dressage arena"

Then he went round like a donkey the whole time...hmmm. So he is getting extra comp mix for this weekend when its a full day of dressage comps! Gah!!
 

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Im glad to see it doesnt matter what level you ride at that there are always snobby idiots. When i'm good enough (and brave enough!!!) to Novice event i'll be chuffed to bits.

Tricksibell I'll swap my you my good dressage marks for your ability to BE Novice ;)
 

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Always wished I could combine my lovely looking brown gelding (bought to event and too tricky and prone to throwing in the towel!) with my mares jumping. Would have definately been placed!
 

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You are not alone! You could almost say it was one of the reasons we left the UK, yes the events are amazing, but it's very unfriendly compared to here. I myself do not thrive on competition yards. I know they often have better facilities, but they usually come with their share of know-it-alls, and even if they don't I get too focussed on the short-term, and not enough on the long-term.
 

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Just to cheer me up! Yes we may only be doing Prelim dressage, but he does make me proud sometimes

SarahShaun.jpg


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'had a good giggle at the fact ' no different imo to what you're claiming they are doing..

tbf to someone doing novice, BE80 is quite straightforward and it can be hard to react without seeming condescending and talking down.
an alternative spin on things
 

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I fortunately only know a couple of these, but the ones who buy pony after pony rather than having lessons with the first one and then seem delighted when one of mine gets injured or isn't going very well really annoy me!

I like to think I am realistic with my capabilities and not like the ones that DHB describes though I do have someone who tacks up for me and does the studs (because he doesn't trust me not cross thread them ;) :eek: and I am very grateful) but more out of choice than because I won't :).

But I thought I'd add all the people I have met out eventing who I didn't know before have been very nice, particularly HHOers :).
 
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It's a pathetic way to behave if you ask me. I must admit we haven't come up against this attitude much - or maybe I just don't notice - except on the junior winter training circuit and that was just some of the parents. Oh dear, the one whose daughter's dressage test was marked down by Jenny Loriston-Clarke but all four of her daughter's dressage trainers watched the video and thought it was perfect :D.

I'll just remind you of Baydale's Mum's mantra - those that mind don't matter and those that matter don't mind. Let's all carry on having fun xx
 

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'had a good giggle at the fact ' no different imo to what you're claiming they are doing..

tbf to someone doing novice, BE80 is quite straightforward and it can be hard to react without seeming condescending and talking down.
an alternative spin on things

To be fair to the original poster, that person was not doing novice and was barely capable of an intro!!
I think you have a right to giggle at their big headed attitude when really they are no better, if not worse, than yourself!!
 

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I have to say I have never come across any of these snobs out eventing, however I had a run in with one of these sorts out hunting one day. I was riding my TB who events at BE100 level, although she doesn't have the best conformation and is a non descript bay mare she will give 100%, and has a very tidy BE record. My horse was happily standing at the meet (falling asleep infact), doing her best donkey impression, when a plunging completely hyped up horse came cannoning into me with the rider attemping to regain some control, but failing miserably. I had never seen this rider or horse before and the conversation that then followed went like this:

Me: You look like you've got your hands full today
Lady: Well this is an eventer you know (giving me and my horse a look of disgust)
Me: Oh this horse (my non descript bay mare) events, will I be seeing you around at any events next season?
Lady: Oh I only do proper events, not silly little local things
Me: Oh so which 'proper' events are you planning on doing?
Lady: Just this and that, you wouldn't know about them

I then rode off as this woman was really bugging me, and asked around and found out her name. Had a look on BE, she had entered 1 BE90 and was a NS, so I would love to know what a 'proper' event is, as clearly BE was beneath her!


Tricksibell85 - I completely sympathise on the dressage front. Been there, done it (a 65 pens test in my case!), got the T-shirt.
 

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'had a good giggle at the fact ' no different imo to what you're claiming they are doing..

tbf to someone doing novice, BE80 is quite straightforward and it can be hard to react without seeming condescending and talking down.
an alternative spin on things

I've touched a nerve obviously!

If this lady had been nice to me I wouldn't have even looked up her record and if I did I probably would have been a lot more sympathetic to her endeavours but she wasn't nice..

Also I remember your responses to Lucemooses posts so I'm afraid I don't actually have any respect for your responses on this forum.
 

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No nerve here... Your the one getting het up because you think people are looking down on you-reverse snobbery?
Reverting to personal insults is often the domain of those who know they are being a bit silly but have no other way of getting out of it.
 

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i used to be at a yard where the YO daughter evented and she was always telling me what i should be doing with my mare and what level i should be riding at. The YO didnt even jump!! by contrast her daughter although "gung ho" and by her own admission not into flatwork was actually quite encouraging and just gave the impression that it was good whatever i did :rolleyes:

i have to admit i think i let people make feel inadequate by sometimes looking into what people say too much and trying too hard! My current YO pointed out that i dont hear the compliments from my trainer and focus on the negative no matter how good its all going. I also assume everyone can see my flaws and looks down at me, i doubt anyone is that interested though!

I admit to being a bit of a perfectionist, not that my BE record reflects that as it is awful. However i do want to do my best and will support anyone who trys to do their best with their horse, it would be a boring world if we were all the same. Snobbery however is a problem that gives the horse world a bad name and one of the reason media coverage is so poor in our sport. Purely a speculation on my behalf but its something my OH (who is completely non horsey) pointed out as often his friends from work do not expect me to be down to earth and expect a snob just because i have a horse. Sorry went off post there but think general point is that we all need to support each other and snobbery to each other in the sport doesnt make us an attractive bunch to the non horsey world :rolleyes:

p.s love that pic of shaun tricksibell85! :D
 
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I had a lovely comment today!

Someone asked me about plans with Andy and I said I would love to event if I ever got my confidence back xc, probably wouldn't be able to afford it anyway"

The reply back was:
"You get nervous, why? Its only a horse you need to stop being so pathetic and why have horses if you can't afford to compete" :mad:
 

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Funnily I have found the more they brag the less impressive their record :rolleyes:

Definitely agree with this! When you get to my advanced age you do realise that the people who try and make you feel small and/or inferior are usually people with lots of insecurities and huge chips on their shoulders!
 

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Kez you know I suffer with confidence so I think I definitely read to much into what people say! I just find it sad that people make themselves feel better by bringing others down. Horses are emotive though :).

My OH said only to listen to those who's opinion matter and those people who don't matter or don't have my best interest at heart don't exist. Typical man lol, when we argue and he goes quiet and gets a blank look on his face I think I have ceased to exist in his life for that moment lol :). He worked in a competitive dog eat dog type of environment and he said it was vital he stayed focused and didn't listen to the hype from others unless they had genuinely earnt his respect. He's a very understated person, he doesn't even wear a watch and likes to drive an old car, he never sells himself to anybody.
I'm hoping some of that will rub off on me, unfortunately I'm all passion and sensitivity lol :)
 

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I had a lovely comment today!

Someone asked me about plans with Andy and I said I would love to event if I ever got my confidence back xc, probably wouldn't be able to afford it anyway"

The reply back was:
"You get nervous, why? Its only a horse you need to stop being so pathetic and why have horses if you can't afford to compete" :mad:

Oooo that sounds a lovely person koko! What a charming, positive comment! ;)
 

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Oooo that sounds a lovely person koko! What a charming, positive comment! ;)

He's arrogant and his head is so far up his ar$e I've come to disregarding all the rubbish that comes out of his mouth!

A year ago probably would have made me cry but now I can see that he is probably the more insecure one! We certainly meet some lovely people :p
 

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I know a few of these people described, infact, in a post i posted the other day I got told by a user [who'd joined that day] to 'put up and shut up then i might get somewhere'

I know it's not eventing snobbery - but is along the lines of what kokpelli said :)
 

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That's not a nice thing to say to you absolutely but isn't there some funny kind of reverse snobbery in laughing at their eliminations too? Which is not to say it's not entirely understandable, but maybe the whole point is to be totally indifferent? Otherwise, they still manage to get to you and make you self-conscious and that seems like a waste of your time as much as anything.
 

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Kez you know I suffer with confidence so I think I definitely read to much into what people say! I just find it sad that people make themselves feel better by bringing others down. Horses are emotive though :).

I'm hoping some of that will rub off on me, unfortunately I'm all passion and sensitivity lol :)

these bits totally! My OH totally not interested in anyones opinion except those who matter to him, namely me. Says if i dont hurt anyone i shouldnt worry about their opinions, easier said than done.

also horses are highly emotive and it is horrible people that put you down to make themselves feel better and there are a lot of them in the horse world. not sure what the answer is i think i might need big ear muffs!! :D and possibly a coat of armour! all seriousness though i would try avoiding these conversations with these people then you dont need to go down to their level i guess - hmmm i think i need to start practicing what i preach! :)
 

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Same with someone who mentioned the fact i was doing a prelim test when aiming for Novice Eventing! Yes..we are that cr@p and i am trying to get better! But horse and me need as much bl00dy practice as possible so if that means prelim and novice dressage test then so be it!

Lol, that's like us! We dont do any higher than prelim even though we have been doing novice BE for years, we just suck at the dressage!
 
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