eventing stallions... (thoroughred)

[Quazzle]

hello

My mare 3/4 TB mare is now in foal of Stallone Quainton (Silvio I X Calypso II X Zeus), but I am already making plans for next year.

I am a competitive eventer I would love to breed my own event horses. (the first foal will probably be sold).

A couple of TB stallions have caught my eye, though.

Albano is approved for the ISH:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10501611&z=WgCvAp

Market Square too:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10501611&z=WgCvAp

Master Imp:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=WgCvAp&d=master+imp

Primmores Pioneer:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=WgCvAp&d=primmore%27s+pioneer

Primitive Faerie Tale (though he's not entirely thoroughbred)
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=WgCvAp&d=primitive+faerie+tale

Betel:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10449771&z=WgCvAp

I can't really make a choice...

My mare is a very good jumper, but she's somewhat nervous. She's not big, but is very strong. i would like a more bold horse, a bit bigger, and more thoroughbredlooking.

can somebody help me out???

This is my mare's pedigree with additional photograph:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10450926&z=WgCvAp

 

[seabiscuit]

Of all of them, Master Imp is the most outstanding. VERY popular with the top eventers- they are usually outstanding horses !! But dont know what their temps are like. Just know that they are v.popular, so must be for a reason!

Primmores pioneer has not produced any stock of note..Saw a video of him jumping at one of his first events and he looked very sharp and difficult and required sensitive and tactfull riding.

Primative faerie tale, lovely genuine horse, very workmanlike and honest, but not WOW, a good two star horse, not sure if he would have done much more but who knows.

 

[Foxfolly]

How about Revolution...

http://www.stallionsonline.co.uk/stallion_15914.html

I know a few people liked the look of him at Burghley stallion parade.
We were considered him for one of our mares but went for a coloured in the end!
But the lady that owns him was really helpful on the phone, she is eventing 2 of his offspring and said they are proving really trainable and bold.

 

[Quazzle]

Thank you!!!

So Primitive Faerie Tale never competed in a three star event?
But he seems to find it all very easy (what the picture shows...);

I saw a Master Imp horse in martinvast a couple of weeks ago (so I remembered his name...) He's not too expensive.

I also like Weston Justice. I am really looking for a bold, brave and honest horse.

 

[Quazzle]

Oh thanks! I didn't know him. There are some good eventers out of Suave Dancer. He's well framed and has a very kind eye. One to put on my list!

 

[eventrider23]

Oooh - LOVE your choice of Stallone Quainton!!! Was soo tempted to use him this year!!

Of those boys, as already been said, Master Imp is the best choice as he is more than proven as an event sire. I would say though that his stock can tend to be quite sharp....

If you are looking for specifically TB stallions you couldn't go wrong with these guys:
Primitive Proposal - throwing some very very nice foals - none yet old enough to compete but are doing very well in the futurities
One More Tiger - the only TB stallion son of Java Tiger. I believe his stock start under saddle next year but have up till now done very well in showing, etc classes. Can see him at http://www.greatbrockhamhurststud.co.uk
Chase the Ace - SHBGB graded and currently on lease to the German State Stud like Stallone Quainton. VERY nice TB stallion, I believe he's now competing dressage.
Setadrift or Stravinsky - both pure TB and Stravinsky especially is very proven as a sire
Trifolio - Siring very god stock, many of which are eventing, including the advanced eventer Trenear. He is availabled through Great Brockhamhurst as well....

Other than that, another for you to conisder is Future Illusion, who is basically TB X trak and whilst only young himself has produced some awesome foals and his stud fee comes with a Live Foal Guarantee.

Also agree with Foxfoly's suggestion of Revolution...

 

[Bossanova]

Master Imp would be the most proven and has thrown a lot of very good stock

Revolution is nice but ordinary, he has a pretty poor BE record at the higher levels

Primitive Faerie Tale is a lovely sort but only an intermediate/2* horse himself

I'd use Weston Justice- have a cracking 3 yr old by him and he himself was a genuine advanced horse who proved himself at the top levels. He could breed something special.

 

[Maggie2]

Master Imp's are known to be quirky and not have the best front legs, or so I am told.

Plus he stands in Ireland and doesn't AI, so unless you are based there that's probably a non starter.

 

[magic104]

I was recommended Up With the Lark as an up & coming Event stallion.

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=WgCvAp&d=up+with+the+lark

http://www.westkingtonstud.co.uk/downloads/StudCardUpWithTheLark2008.pdf

 

[wishfulthinking]

Master Imp stock are usually quirky and sometimes piggish. When good though, they are great. He does not AI as has been said above and while his fertility is still excellent for his age his book is usually full so unless your mare has an excellent performance record you may be left in limbo until the very end of the season and might miss out altogether.

 

[Quazzle]

What a choice of stallions!!! Obviously, I forgot to mention a lot of them.
I like Mill Law too... How is his progeny?
and I love One More Tiger (especially his powerful hind). makes me think of my mare, actually (same type of horse). Java Tiger was really an extraordinary eventer and sire. But how is OMT's jump? Never saw a picture of him jumping.

Up With The Lark is well-bred too and has good gaits and a nice jumping technique.

Mr Kalandi is also very interesting, but he's still very young. Handsome Stranger (By Hand In Glove) seems interesting too, but I don't like his jumping technique very much.

Still a long way to go... So exit Master Imp. The mare is very good, but never competed at top level as she was a 'schoolhorse' for my younger brother after her dressage career (until she was 13).

 

[Quazzle]

Stallone's semen is of very good quality!!! The vet was surprised of the 'density' of it.

btw, there was a problem with the plane, so the shipped semen couldn't get there in time. -the worst day of my life- Eventually, the package arrived 9 hours later, being collected two days earlier. And still very good semen quality!

 

[S_N]

Can I just say that Tiger's temperament and personality are second to none! If I was looking to breed a TB to my mare, for me, then I would most likely use him for the above reasons and also due to his size (I am very tall) and also they would be a good physical match. I can say this with complete confidence, having known this stallion well in the past and actually seen him and my mare pretty much standing next to each other.

 

[LEC]

Another one to consider is Endoli. He produces 4* eventers in both Apache Sauce and Beckli both of who went well at Burghley. Both very different types as I think Apache Sauce is ugly as sin but Beckli is smart.

I also really like the look of Andes.

 

[eventrider23]

Ooh - I had forgotten about Endoli...second that choice.

Cruiseline on here has an awesome youngster by Handsome Stranger - it did very very well in the futurity this year.

I have also heard great things about One More Tiger's temperament as _SN_ says....his owner literally gushes about him and all her stallions go out in paddocks next door to one another which let them touch/groom over the fences and all get on superbly!

Ooh - one other stallion to consider is El Thuder - not pure TB but has a lot of TB in his pedigree. He is by Thunder Van DE Zuuthoeve (Argentinus), who is jumping at the World Breeding Champs this year. He stands at Brendon Stud and I used him on both our mare's last year and could not be happier with the results.....one of our foals was out of a Beachtime SJ mare and the foal is a seriously quality event foal as opposed to the SJer you would expect and the other is out of a welsh X mare and is a really quality middleweight...shoudl make fab Juniors horse or WH. If you are interested I can PM you pics of the foals or post them on here if you like. He’s got a fab temperament as well and so do the foals.

Great to know about Stallone's semen!! I think he's awesome! I do wonder though what is happening now though with Quainton selling up...whether they'll sell him or not now...

 

[Maggie2]

I believe OMT failed his SHB(GB) Grading on a crooked front limb, which may or may not have a relevance to your search, and it is possible he doesn't pass it on

The advert. used to say that he was Registered with SHB(GB) which is a whole lot different to being Graded.

 

[S_N]

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I believe OMT failed his SHB(GB) Grading on a crooked front limb, which may or may not have a relevance to your search, and it is possible he doesn't pass it on

The advert. used to say that he was Registered with SHB(GB) which is a whole lot different to being Graded.

[/ QUOTE ]

You are both correct and incorrect.

Yes he failed, but no, nothing to do with front limbs AFAIK. He is fairly straight through the hind leg, but he uses it well.

Also his then owner was incredibly ill at the time and it would probably be fair to say that he could have had a more thorough prep for the grading. Also, you only have to read all the threads on gradings on here to form your own opinion of them....

 

[Maggie2]

Only what I was told, and I did say I 'believed' that was the issue.

If I were his owner I'd represent him in that case, or find another society, there are Stud Boks that would accept a full TB, such as Trakehner.

 

[eventrider23]

I spoke to his current owner previously about re-presenting him and she is not interested in it at all....she says he is now old enough that in her opinion his progeny will speak for themselves. Whilst I DO advocate gradings, etc I can see where she is coming from as , as she said, his sire was never graded, nor are any of the top TB stallions out there...including Endoli, and that has stopped them from throwing good stock. The likes of Master Imp, Primitive Rising, etc were never graded and that hasn’t stopped them....

 

[Maggie2]

I agree 100%,look what the old HIS stallions threw, and while they were inspected and did their showing classes for their Premiums, none ever went through a grading as such.

But some were not sent forward for a Premium following their inspection the previous day, I guess you could say they 'failed'.

Some of them never even saw a racecourse, or if they did weren't talented, but they could get decent stock.

 

[Maesfen]

I'm another firm One More Tiger fan!

He stayed here all of last summer and I can't think of many nicer temperament horses at all, let alone being a stallion; he was a total gent at all times even while covering (as I was holding the mares, that meant a lot let me tell you when you're not actually used to being on the receiving end!) Many times while the owner was away showing, I'd do him for a few days and he was always delightful to handle. While I'm used to big fit horses, it was the first time I've been hands on with a stallion and I couldn't have had a better introduction.
I obviously saw a fair few of his foals and they all had his lovely laid back temperament and without exception, all moved very well. I've owned two fillies by him, the two year old has now been bought especially for an international eventer and I have high hopes of my filly foal out of a TB; also Baydale on here has another, the lovely Myrtle.
Having looked at his new website, it's wonderful to see him so happy again too, I wouldn't hesitate to use him again.
A certain O Townsend rode him for his SHB grading which he failed on lack of competitive record due to his then owner's serious illness which gave him a too short and less than perfect preparation.
He's well worth a look!

 

[wishfulthinking]

Probably not relevant to the topic and doesn't alter your valid point about many top stallions not being graded but Master Imp is approved with the IHB.

 

[eventrider23]

is that not through the performance.quality of his offspring though or was he actually presented?

 

[Maggie2]

Don't SHB grade stallions on the basis of their offspring too?

Or is it their own performance that is taken into account?

 

[wishfulthinking]

Not 100% sure tbh, but think he was presented and approved as a four year old as was approved in '91.

 

[Quazzle]

Can someone tell me where to find some pics of progeny of OMT? Tx all of you... Keep up the good work!

 

[Maesfen]

OMT babies! Lousy pic's but nice youngsters!
My filly x Fraam mare.

2007 x Polish coloured mare; since been sold for showing.

This is Spring. (2006). I bought her as an extremely poor yearling, less than 14.2. I sold her this spring, 9 months later standing 15.3hh with a lot more to go. She's going for eventing after BYEH with international rider. This is about 4 months after I bought her.

There are also some pictures on here, his new website.
http://www.greatbrockhamhurststud.co.uk/onemoretiger.htm

 

[magic104]

There are some shown on their website I have "cut & pasted the link" below;

http://www.greatbrockhamhurststud.co.uk/onemoretiger.htm

 

[SillyMare]

I would second the Weston Justice recommendation - we have a lovely yearling out of a half-bred mare (with confidence and personality coming out of his ears!).

 

[Quazzle]

Lovely!