EXTREMELY Forward girth groove - getting desperate!!!!

montanna

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I am having an absolute nightmare trying to get a saddle to stay put on my rising 5 year old.

She has the most forward girth groove any saddler has ever seen. When you fasten the girth with the saddle in the correct place, the girth literally sits in the middle of her belly. As soon as she takes a step, the girth moves forwards into the girth groove, dragging the saddle with it – straight onto her shoulder and up her neck!

I have had what feels like every saddler in the county look at her, try all sorts of saddles but what is very clear is that this is a girthing issue. We have tried saddles with point straps, different girths including Stubben string, grippy Pro choice ones, the Fairfax. You name it, we’ve tried it.

She has been ridden in a 17” M Albion K2 Jump for the last little while, with a gel eze non slip pad and a Harry Dabbs girth. This combo has worked the best out of everything we have tried & we had semi-good results with this for a while, but recently it has stopped working so well. She has been crabby about going into canter (nothing nasty, just ears back and a swish of the tail), is very on her forehand and struggles to get her front end up when jumping. On taking the saddle off, you can see where the hair has been rubbed underneath where it’s constantly trying to go forward. (I clipped her last week and she has two white patches where the saddle rubs her!). Clearly, I am absolutely mortified at this, and have vowed not to put a saddle back on her until I can get the girthing sorted.

So the question is – what the hell do I do??

There are sooooooooo many girths on the market for this, however most of them are just straight girths with a wiggle in the middle which don’t work a jot.

Could anyone recommend someone that I could take her to that would have any bright ideas regarding girthing? I have had four different saddle fitters now (two where I have taken her to the workshops!) but none of them could get anything to stay put. The last place I went, we were there until it was dark and the mare was getting seriously peeved as you would expect.

She must have the worst confirmation to be causing me so much trouble, but she is the sweetest little horse, talented, brave and has put up with a lot so far, I just don’t want her getting to the stage where she runs to the back of the stable when she sees a saddle.

I don’t care how much it costs, I just need to get this sorted!!

Can anyone help?
 

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Have you got a side-on photo of her? I'd be interested to see if her girth groove.

Afraid I've not really got any advice as you seem to have tried everything - next step would be a custom saddle with the billets on at an angle I suspect?

I will say that I had no joy with the Fairfax girth but the FSS short anatomical girth on eBay seemed to work for mine - bonus as it's much cheaper also!
 

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I had a similar sounding issue, where the saddle fits great, until she walks forwards, then it moves forwards, too. I bought an acavallo doubled sided gel pad. Far too posh for what I do, but it has worked a treat. In my case, the issue is extremely round pony, with no wither at all - she just narrows as you go over the shoulder and to the neck. So, a different cause, but same result. I wonder if the pad combined with special girth would work for you.
Here's the link:
http://www.horsehealth.co.uk/acaval...d-pads?zenid=6de3de402124604b05d9e96d501d620c
 

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I feel your pain OP!!! I had the same issue with my mare. The only saddles that seem to stay put are flat tree'ed close contact saddles with a point strap added onto them and a split (forked) forked girth. Close contact saddles by Classic Saddlery and my Stubben Artus are the only saddles that have ever stayed put on her as like you, everything ended up on her neck after a couple of strides of trot (and then you get bucked off!). I too, tried curved girths, grip pads of every sort, etc but it seems the combination of a flat tree'ed saddle, point straps and a forked girth, is the only thing that works.

My girth looks like this one: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41B5tdCbm1L.jpg
 

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how about the shoulder relief girth? been mulling over buying one for my youngster, they cost about £150
 

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I have an Arab that had a similar problem, I use a Kentaur shaped girth and I bought a new saddle from Lavinia Mitchell, the saddle I had was too narrow and caused some muscle damage infront of the shoulder, without her coming out and me getting a new saddle I dont think it would have ever been resolved. Do you have a picture of your horse you could post?
 

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I have the same issue with my youngster, bought a barnsby grip pad and had point straps put on saddle, works fine but grip pad needs very regular washing or looses grip
 

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What about the WOW H girth? It might be worth contacting WOW saddles.

Was the Fairfax one you tried the curved one?

Just been recommended WOW on the other thread - definitely going to look into this.

Yes the Fairfax curved one. It was awful! Made the problem worse, and I wasn't impressed with the quality either for the price of it - very bulky too!!

Have you got a side-on photo of her? I'd be interested to see if her girth groove.

Afraid I've not really got any advice as you seem to have tried everything - next step would be a custom saddle with the billets on at an angle I suspect?

I will say that I had no joy with the Fairfax girth but the FSS short anatomical girth on eBay seemed to work for mine - bonus as it's much cheaper also!

I will get take a photo later on and post it to give you a better idea.

Yes I am having trouble finding true curved long girths... I have only found short, but I want to SJ/event her so needs to be long - unless I looked at a monoflap saddle? I wonder if this would work better actually...?

I had a similar sounding issue, where the saddle fits great, until she walks forwards, then it moves forwards, too. I bought an acavallo doubled sided gel pad. Far too posh for what I do, but it has worked a treat. In my case, the issue is extremely round pony, with no wither at all - she just narrows as you go over the shoulder and to the neck. So, a different cause, but same result. I wonder if the pad combined with special girth would work for you.
Here's the link:
http://www.horsehealth.co.uk/acaval...d-pads?zenid=6de3de402124604b05d9e96d501d620c

Thank you - I have something very similar that I am using at the moment. It's worked well for a while, but failing me now!!

I feel your pain OP!!! I had the same issue with my mare. The only saddles that seem to stay put are flat tree'ed close contact saddles with a point strap added onto them and a split (forked) forked girth. Close contact saddles by Classic Saddlery and my Stubben Artus are the only saddles that have ever stayed put on her as like you, everything ended up on her neck after a couple of strides of trot (and then you get bucked off!). I too, tried curved girths, grip pads of every sort, etc but it seems the combination of a flat tree'ed saddle, point straps and a forked girth, is the only thing that works.

My girth looks like this one: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41B5tdCbm1L.jpg

Thank you - will look into close contact saddles. Your mare sounds just the same! What make is your girth?

Mattes do a sheepskin girth for English saddles designed to solve this issue. No link - sorry - but should come up with a quick google.

Think these are short too :( need a long one unless I can find a suitable monoflap saddle which is definitely worth a look at.

how about the shoulder relief girth? been mulling over buying one for my youngster, they cost about £150

Unfortunately these aren't true curved girths - more a straight one with a wiggle in the middle which don't work unfortunately.

I have an Arab that had a similar problem, I use a Kentaur shaped girth and I bought a new saddle from Lavinia Mitchell, the saddle I had was too narrow and caused some muscle damage infront of the shoulder, without her coming out and me getting a new saddle I dont think it would have ever been resolved. Do you have a picture of your horse you could post?

The short kentaur ones look quite curved, but the long one just looks like a straight with a wiggle in it :(

i know you probably have and sorry if i'm teaching you to suck eggs but have you tried a crupper?

There is no way she would tolerate it... also it would have to be super tight to be effective which would cause other problems... the girth groove would be pulling the saddle one way, the crupper the other way. Plus she would bronc me into next week!!!

I have the same issue with my youngster, bought a barnsby grip pad and had point straps put on saddle, works fine but grip pad needs very regular washing or looses grip

Same thing with my grip pad, I wash it after every use.

Have you tried a moon girth?

This is what I need but in a long version.

I'd either look at a made to measure which are no more expensive than an off the peg saddle or try Style Saddles. Their saddles are light weight and the girth sits further back. Their website is - http://www.style-equestrian.co.uk/home
Hope that helps

Do you have any further info/reviews on these style saddles? I do like the sound of a monoflap, I think these could work quite well...
 

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I will get take a photo later on and post it to give you a better idea.

Yes I am having trouble finding true curved long girths... I have only found short, but I want to SJ/event her so needs to be long - unless I looked at a monoflap saddle? I wonder if this would work better actually...?

Oop, sorry - I assumed you were already using a monoflap jump saddle, no idea why :p.

I'd def get one to try; the Black Country Vinci is meant to be really good and they'll do m2m though I've not idea of your budget. Fairfax/K&M do a split flap and a 'true' monoflap so might be worth looking at :).
 

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the passier anatomic girth worked really well on a dressage mare i had whose saddle used to shoot up her neck.

i think you would be better with a mono flap and a short girth as there are a lot more short curved/anatomic ones to try.
 

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I had this problem too, tried loads of saddles, corrective pads etc etc but seem to have found the answer in the Professionals Choice Ventair girth - you don't need to do it up as tight as it grips anyway, so it doesn't pull the saddle forward.

I was a sceptic until I tried it - another bonus is my saddle no longer slips from side to side too (I'm using a HM FlexEE with a HM memory foam front riser.

I had the same issue with hair being rubbed when it moved, but not a single one was out of place after over an an hours woodland (loads of tree branch ducking so lots of opportunities for saddle to move). I was amazed to find the girth where it was supposed to be, further back rater than right behind her forelegs where it usually ends up! it isn't a shaped girth but has a vented neoprene liner that is sticky.
 
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There is no way she would tolerate it... also it would have to be super tight to be effective which would cause other problems... the girth groove would be pulling the saddle one way, the crupper the other way. Plus she would bronc me into next week!!!
Plenty of lunging and they do get used to it pretty quickly. It does work when other things don't.
 
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