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Hi people been sent this.... from a friend who saw it on another forum...... she inboxed me it on facebook

OOH, just read this , I'm not putting up who posted it on facebook (not me) but it makes you think - scammers........................

RE: Horse Hoarder TV Show -
Something that wasn't tackled on the programme -
they're not short of cash/donations -
Michelle sells them for between 300-800 quid a pop!! (sometimes more!!) regularly posts all over facebook asking for free feed/rugs/bedding/farriery/hay/mucking out... etcetc... I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN UP THERE when she started taking them to sell, as the advert said - HOMES WANTED FOR RESCUE HORSES - me being me jumped up to help, only to be told i'd have to pay £400 for a 13.2 dapple grey un handled & un registered (& of questionable parentage) 4yo stallion !! I even got roped into helping catch a traditional colt she'd sold but needed gelding while i was up there viewing!! I'm not saying he should/shouldn't have horses - I'm saying that its NOT rescue, its a business partnership between the two of them using peoples goodwill & kind hearts to make them pay over the current market value for (in the most part) poor quality, un-registered stock!! (thats what p's me off!)
(Yeah I'll get a load of abuse for this - But its the god honest truth - what reason have I to lie?!)


...... So was wondering what peoples thoughts are ...........?
 
I thought it was quite clear on the programme that she was selling them. He was grumbling as she spent some of the money on wormers etc. He needed money from somewhere as there was no way he could had enough money from his pension to feed them all (until his numbers where down to 20 odd)

As for people saying they are being conned -Pffft ! No-one has held a gun against anyones head saying YOU MUST DONATE or YOU MUST BUY so sorry, they can keep their bleating to themselves.
 
It's clear from the Facebook page they sell them. And bred most. So not exactly a rescue!

That said you need to give the likes of the SSPCA a fair whack for anything they have worth having as well.
 
Didn't see the programme I admit, but personally wouldn't send my own money to any source unless they were a registered charity, at least then you know they have to report to the charity commission. I have heard that this programme said the RSPCA are taking him to court? If this is the case and it has not yet been heard then any animal involved in the case surely would not be shown on a TV programme otherwise it would affect his right to a fair trial. Or has the case been heard???
 
I wondered how long it would be before the cynics and miserys surfaced. Why shouldn't they make a bit of money out of it. She provides the
Livery and her time and made it clear that the rest of the money would be spent on improving Clywd's life.
 
competitiondiva said:
Didn't see the programme I admit, but personally wouldn't send my own money to any source unless they were a registered charity, at least then you know they have to report to the charity commission. I have heard that this programme said the RSPCA are taking him to court? If this is the case and it has not yet been heard then any animal involved in the case surely would not be shown on a TV programme otherwise it would affect his right to a fair trial. Or has the case been heard???
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Court case was heard during the making of the programme. Can't remember the outcome as to busy laughing at the RSPCA markswoman in camouflage and the scene of him in the 'cannibal' bath :D

There was no mention of it being a charity during the programme.
 
....cont..... Rehome. To cover her costs and I expect to stop people getting a freebie, she sells them. With that guy, it was clearly stated that the horses were being sold to cover her livery costs (£35 pw) and wormers plus any treatment etc. The rest was to go to him

AFAIK, don't all rescue places ( legit ones) charge a fee even for a full loan??

Not much of a story tbh :)
 
Have owned two of Clwyd's home bred horses and poor quality are not the words I'd use!

Of course not everyone likes cob types... Lol!

Michelle isn't the only one selling them either. Ours were bought at beeston.... If you don't like the fact the horses need selling then contact the RSPCA and ask them to stop forcing Clwyd to downsize... Where dya think they go? They don't just vanish!
 
russianhorse said:
But piebaldsparkle, she isn't breeding them??

And he's not a rescue centre ......
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May have the wrong end of the stick, but my understanding was that she was selling then on his behalf............

Also this isn't the 1st time he has been told to downsize.

Didn't see the programme as was working.
 
Really dont get the point of this thread.

Already been a lengthy debate with people either thinking hes a 'knob' or he needs help.

Now we have a new thread , to say, by the way ive more evidence, as someone told me blah blah blah blah.

The programme made it perfectly clear, he/ Michelle are selling them on, to reduce numbers and help provide essentials for the remainder.

Surely if he was doing nothing that would be more of a problem ??
 
if they were giving them away there would be people jumping up and down saying how irresponsible they were as free horses always end up abused, charge a decent price and they're accused of scamming:rolleyes:
A lot of the money being 'donated' as far as i could see was being done through the shop where clywd buys his feed, so he's not making money but the shop is, are the shop in on the 'scam' as well.?
 
Ok so instead of selling for a small amount, should she give them away free to every tom, Dick & harry who wants to wescue da poor ickle horsies or make a quick buck sending them for meat? Or should Michelle in addition to what she already does go through lengthy loan agreements & regular home checks? Ditto keeping them, I doubt selling for a few hundred is even covering the cost of getting them ready to sell. Gelding, wormers, feet & a months keep would easily come to a few hundred. Whatever anyone thinks of him, her, or what the full story is with the rspca, I think everyone agrees they need rehoming asap. And if someone doesn't like the way Michelle is going about it, they can go & volunteer themselves to take half a dozen instead of her & sort it their way. Maybe there are other ways, but afaik nobody else has come forward to take over michelles responsibility to rehome them, so until they do I don't think we should be slagging her perceived short comings. Short comings that are suddenly only noticed when someone realises they aren't getting a free horse.
 
Ibblebibble said:
if they were giving them away there would be people jumping up and down saying how irresponsible they were as free horses always end up abused, charge a decent price and they're accused of scamming:rolleyes:
A lot of the money being 'donated' as far as i could see was being done through the shop where clywd buys his feed, so he's not making money but the shop is, are the shop in on the 'scam' as well.?
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They wouldn't need to be off loaded (sold or given), if he hadn't been breeding in the 1st place. Nor would they need feeding!
 
OK maybe I should watch it before commenting, but based on what I've read, this guy has fallen on hard times, his horse numbers and health got out of hand through not managing his herd (not for the first time) RSPCA attend, give 2 warnings, and extent the time period, but eventually take him to court in order to enforce change. He either pleads guilty or is found guilty on 6 counts of suffering, forcing him into making the changes that everyone agrees were needed?????? Have I got this right so far? Warning info is detailed here, guilty part is of forums...http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/n...e-pensioner-who-hoards-horses-91466-32547091/
 
What I dont understand is why people are sending money and horse food to him, its like giving an alcoholic vodka! just funding his habit!

I agree he needs help but this is not the help he needs, hes needs to reduce down to 4-5 mares and not have any more esp any colts! simples!

plus it was clear in the programme the rs had taken the worst of the animals already. If the programme had been on spindles farm would everyone have felt sorry for Jamie gray and sent him money and feed? Both guilty of neglect, both breeders and dealers with dead horses on site whats the difference?
 
Widget, there was, quite clearly, a big difference - or didn't you watch the programme. The difference is what has led to the difference in reaction. Hardly rocket science.
 
ok so he had 52 horses it was stated in the opening programme but by the time the film crew got there he had 26- the rest where taken by rspca. There were 18 or nineteen charges taken against him and he plea bargained for six. Suggests things were REALLY bad before he had his numbers halved.

I feel for the guy he obviously needs help, his house needs water, electricity, heating, cleaning etc and he prob needs some sort of help with his issues around the loss of his daughter and his hoarding.

But I dont think sending him food is going to help in any way, go back there in six months and he will be back to fifty horses- guaranteed.
 
widget said:
What I dont understand is why people are sending money and horse food to him, its like giving an alcoholic vodka! just funding his habit!

I agree he needs help but this is not the help he needs, hes needs to reduce down to 4-5 mares and not have any more esp any colts! simples!

plus it was clear in the programme the rs had taken the worst of the animals already. If the programme had been on spindles farm would everyone have felt sorry for Jamie gray and sent him money and feed? Both guilty of neglect, both breeders and dealers with dead horses on site whats the difference?
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Did you actually watch and listen to the programme? Or have you pieced together your own version from bits read on various forums and FB?

Unlike Jamie Gray this man loves his horses and uses his pension to feed them rather than himself. He suffered a tragedy in his life and has never recovered from the trauma, the horses are his only friends aside from the one lady whi is helping him. They are not unfed or left to die.. yes one foal died, but the place was hardly littered with bodies like Spindles Farm. I worked at a high class stud and one season we lost two foals.. does that put it on a par with Spindle Farm? Of course not!! Sadly it happens sometimes.

Yes he needs to get rid of his colts and that matter is being addressed, but to compare him to JG is ridiculous in the extreme.
 
piebaldsparkle said:
They wouldn't need to be off loaded (sold or given), if he hadn't been breeding in the 1st place. Nor would they need feeding!
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widget said:
What I dont understand is why people are sending money and horse food to him, its like giving an alcoholic vodka! just funding his habit!
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Exactly! This situation being supported is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever experienced.
 
no I actually used to live about five minutes way from him in N wales so know the situation personally. when he got evicted from his last farm there were fifteen dead horses found

Its amazing what a bit of channel four editing can do! do you believe all gypsys have huge wedding dresses too!

not getting into a row I dont doubt this guy loves his horses and 'needs' them I just think people should offer help to get things sorted for him such as donating to vets for gelding, donating to a fund in b&Q to get his house sorted not buying him feed. He will not cut down whilst people are funding his horses.

If he only had a couple he could afford to live and keep them on his pension.
 
ps the other thing I would do is get him how clean is your house/diy sos or similar to get his house in order rahter than a ridiculous c4 'documentary'
 
I'd do what the RSPCA did and seize any neglected horses and prosecute for that.

I would not be buying up his horses having been raised without appropriate worming and nutrition. Eventually, if others stuck to only buying from reputable breeders, operations like this would fail after making no money. Maybe it would shock him to his senses to watch the horses removed go straight to slaughter, probably not.

If what I read on here is correct and the land he is using isn't his, if I were the landowner I'd be finding an alternative use for the land ASAP.
 
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Some on here are against the RSPCA being investigated. Investigations, by qualified people, can only do good. In this case, Clwyd and his activities will now be under close scrutiny. He is already working with Michelle who seems to run a very efficient local rescue centre and be able to influence him by acting as his surrogate daughter, so any surpluses will go there.

The RSPCA? I still think they need to be investigated. Maybe a bit of close scrutiny will force them to sharpen up their act too. For a start, their staff don't seem to be very well trained yet they waste huge sums on publicity seeking prosecutions. The more I hear, the more I am disgusted.

Here's another:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ving-skeletal-helpless-horse-called-Hope.html
 
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