FALSE RIG ? Tell me about naughty geldings

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My welsh pony is 4 in June and his passport shows he was gelded in June 2011 when he was just 3. Since I've had him he has always been turned out with other geldings and I thought he was just very playful always grabbing onto the back of rugs etc. Although he is always at the bottom of the pecking order but always wants to be involved in any rucks in the field LOL

Anyway, I've not been worried about anything like this before with him, when I got him in September he was listless and really poor and almost too quiet, correct feeding and lots of time and good management has improved him no end to the point now that he really has a great character but still no naughtiness.

However we moved yards on Monday and my friend moved her 3yr old mare over yesterday and they were put in together. Harry loved it, chasing around her and being playful, until she started flirting and he started getting a *ahem* stiffy and slapping it around. I called him over and it went away and he happily came away from her but later on he did the same and this time it looked like it was dripping *sorry for this disgusting thread, not sure how more politely to put it*

He hasn't tried to mount her (and he would struggle anyway as he is only 12.2 on tippy toes and she is 16hh) but is this normal ??? Vet confirms that both testicles were removed but I suppose it wasn't that long ago, about 9 months.

Can they still get stallion tendancies after gelding ?
 
my story is similar to yours but over 4 years. Bought and unfit 5 year old who has had several illness issues since and has only really become 'healthy' in the last year. He used to be such a dope, chilled out you could do anything with him. Now you can't go in the field with him and he displays all the signs that yours does to both our mare (and he tries it on us - obv a definite no) but it always coincides with our Mare being in season - the rest of the time he is much calmer and better behaved. Breeder stated that he was gelded at 2 and it was successful and vet has confirmed removal of both testicles so without bloods we won't know to confirm belief that he is a rig but in the 3 years he has been in with our mare we've never had a foal and you can see that he really struggles to understand 'how' to do the job and becomes really frustrated and angry. He is becoming more manageable now that we have found the pattern to his behaviour but it has been very worrying seeing our dope on a rope gelding turn into a 'vicious' stallion. Lol or as our neighbours described him. x
 
I have a 6 yr old Haffie. When I got him (t 2 years ago) he'd only ever been turned out with other geldings. When he came to me he had to go out with mares as well.He had a wonderful time at first, playing and flirting. Eventually they told him to go away in no uncertain terms and he gave up. He has since been out in a big herd (14/15 mixed) and tries it on (tried mounting once - another gelding though!). People accused him of being a rig and said he should be PTS! Vet assured me he was fine and he did settle down, once the older mares have a 'word' he soon gives up. He had just moved yards having been at one for a short time when he was on his own in the field for 3 months and he is doing it again. Some boys just like to try it on I suppose!
 
We have a gelding who is def not a rig, who has had his way with most of our mares, including over fencing! He can be very stallion like around 'his' mares, but not around others. It really is quite strange. We boughthim as a late 4 yr old, and he had never been turned out with mares before. Now he is in a herd, all the natural tendancies seem to have appeared. Thankfully he hasn't been seen doing it for several years now, so we hope he has grown out of it!
 
Mine is the same, he was also VERY bad temperedwhen he didnt get his own way and mounted the mares at every opportunity. I put him on Rigcalm which helped a lot with his boisterous nature, and stopped him from causing merry hell when the mares were taken out of his view.

Someone told me the main ingredient in that supplement is Agnus Castus (also known as chaste berries or monks pepper) so I switched him from Rigcalm to Oestraban which is a lot cheaper and contains the same main ingredient. That was last summer. He's only just been turned out with mares maybe a fortnight ago, and is still a lot more placid but yesterday when one of the mares came into season he started mounting again. It wasn't aggressively, but he sure as hell had clear intentions. Am going to go back to the rigcalm, see if it works any different. Am just glad that he's lost the temper and the bolshiness. Wasn't nice to have a big horse like that pushing me around.
 
My 17.3hh KWPN was gelded at 3. He tends to try and mount mare or gelding when he is stressed. They can do it as a dominance thing. I would say the move has triggered this behaviour. When your pony settles he will probably stop doing it.
 
I had a late cut gelding and he would mount anything that resembled a horse. He was a horny little devil but he had covered some mares in his earlier years so I blamed it on that.

Beau can act quite stallion like. He doesn't mount things though. He gets very attached to mares and gets very dominant over them. He was gelded when he was 9 months old.
 
My gelding has many stallion attributes and most vets I have had out for various reasons have agreed that he was almost certainly gelded late and possibly has covered mares at some point (I got him at 7, was gelded then but don't know much of what he did before this age). He is incredibly dominant towards other geldings, or completely aloof depending on his mood. Mares, however, he is a complete lamb around, and has been known to mount them if given the chance (usually the mares tell him where to go and he doesn't push the matter too much!). He also is very upright, cresty (even when slim) and squeals if he so much as sees a horse he doesn't know, sometimes ones he does know! The only time his "stallion-like" attitude has been a problem was when he was turned out with an old pony mare (fatties paddock!) and a late cut pony gelding (ex-stallion used for breeding) was put in the adjoining field. They would fight over the fence and we had to separate them in the end - if one of them had gotten over the fence I believe there would have been some serious damage done, probably to the pony rather than my boy but I doubt either of them would've come out of it well. Have also known mares to come into season unexpectedly when he has been stabled near them - one mare in particularly would "wink" at him at any given opportunity! He has the most beautiful temperament though, very easy to deal with, and his stallion-like attitude gets him many compliments when he is strutting around his field or in the show ground!

Unless you have concerns about him mounting your mare I imagine your mare will sort him out quick-sharp if he tries it on and she isn't interested!
 
I bought my NF gelding when he was 8, he was gelded at 5. He has always been 'riggy'. He used to mount al of my mares, nap, do anything to get back to them

Eventually I had enough and put him on 'rigcalm' by global herbs which has a permanent affect. He has been a difference horse since! Give it a go it might work :)
 
Long story cut short, my new boy and resident dominant mare battled for two days, neither one conceding, trashed every fence on the place doing so, couldn't stable as we had rescue dogs in them as it was summer, settled down eventually and two years on we moved to a livery yard, lived with ours and another two mares plus another gelding happily for two months, then raped one of the mares, cutting/biting her badly, she was in shock, he was doing a lap of honour displaying himself, bloods were taken, all normal
 
Long story part 2, we had to leave the yard as YO wouldn't seperate the sexes
and understandably the mares owner didn't want my boy in the same field.
we moved to our own place, where my lad bullied our other gelding, chasing him off haynets, herding him round the field and dictating when he could enter/leave the barn. We recently lost the submissive gelding and my bully boy went into deep depression, not leaving the barn, not eating and refusing to hack out, scaring my daughter witless in the process, (being a soldier she doesn't scare easy), we borrowed a friends little mare for company, he displayed as soon as he saw her, then realised she was company and he has been the perfect gent, she rules the roost, she goes, he follows, they eat the same haynet.
We are looking at our new horse tomorrow, it's a mare so it's fingers crossed
he behaves
 
Flirtygerty,

First time ever I have heard a gelding owner take responsibility for a gelding like this. After being around (not on here) one gelding owners with holy terrors I'd much rather only have mares and stallions!

FWIW, I do think it's necessary for YO's to separate groups. If you have your own herd and want to mix great. But I've seen too many of these types of geldings turn into holy terrors due to mixed company. I have one gelding that is on his own but shares a fence line with others. He can be weird in company of both sexes but can handle the odd mare or gelding now and again.

But I just bloody well get sick of all this, well your mares must be in season reason for bad behavoir from their geldings. As in 2 fields away and not near in the barn. The poor manners on your gelding are not due to my mares who are NOT in season 24/7. Sorry to rain on your parade dear! Plus I'm lucky to have very unslutty mares. It's so nice.

Terri
 
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