Feed advice for veteran - care to review our regime?

Orchardbeck

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I would like to review my veteran mare's feed regime to make sure she's getting the best she can, but also to remove anything that I don't need as it's costing a fortune! If anyone would like to make any recommendations I would be very grateful.

Background: She is 23, 14hh, Arab x Welsh B and is normally stabled at night. She had a colic episode about 2 months ago and whilst was thin to start with (she had a one off laminitis episode a year or so back been on restricted grazing and was probably overmanaged), dropped an awful lot of weight.

We still aren't 100% as to the cause of the colic, but we suspect was poor quality hay that she probably either wasn't eating enough of, causing an ulcer (she had evidence of internal bleeding, but no tumour or blockage - we had two lots of blood tests done afterwards) or just the hay quality itself was the cause.

Anyway she recovered well and the priority was to build up her condition. We switched her to a nice haylage which she gobbles up, and I am really happy with this as forage was so important. The vets advised that a good quality source of forage was also the most important aspect, to the point that she has been on box rest (on their advice) to encourage her not to choose the poor quality grass in the paddock over hay. I hope to increase her turnout from now.

The vet and her farrier have told me to forget the laminitis, and just treat her as a non laminitic which has taken a bit of getting used to (so forget grass muzzles and timing turnout to avoid frosty grass, 4 hours max per day on poor grazing which is what I was doing).

He main feed is Calm and Condition - I gave her 4 mugs (before soaking) with a Stubbs scoop of Alpha A molasses free chaff, and a mug of micronized linseed, all twice a day. I have gradually reduced this to two mugs of C&C twice a day with the same amount of chaff and linseed, as she has started to put weight on and her condition has really picked up so we can come out of 'emergency measures' now! I prefer a sloppy feed to get more water in and prevent colic again.

In the evening she gets a scoop of Equimins Advanced Complete for the probiotics and b vits, a scoop of Horse First My Joints, a good measure of Mag Ox (really as she is barefoot but I also thought it would help if she had ulcers?) and a scoop of Dodson and Horrell pure Devils Claw.

Can anyone offer any advice - is there something I could change (albeit gradually) that would reduce the number of supplements - perhaps a veteran specific feed? I would prefer to stick to a forage and oil based plan if possible as I believe this is better for her, but am open to suggestions. Sorry, this has ended up being really long!
 
TBH I'd suggest you test for cushings, particularly as she has had laminitis.

I had my veteran tested as I couldn't keep weight on her, it was positive, I tried chaste berry, but she was still loosing weight, so put her on prascend a month ago, and she is looking tons better.
 
Apache - thanks, I should have mentioned that, but my post was massive as it was! I mentioned the possibility of Cushings to my vets, but they were quite dismissive of it.

I need to make it clear - she is putting weight on again now, because I am no longer treating her like a laminitic, and feeding her a bit more, but I think it is time to reassess this.

The laminitis episode happened in the spring 2010 - first time in her life she has had it, and she was in a large field at my parents with a 4 year old. Turned out it had just been fertilised a fortnight before, the pair of them developed it at exactly the same time with the younger horse being far worse than my older mare, hence the vets and farrier treating it as a one off. Her coat is coming out like mad too at the minute and there are no tell tale bulges above her eyes. I know a blood test would rule it out though.
 
That's good news (although my horse didn't have any other signs than weight issues).

You could try the A&P Veteran vitality, that is slightly lower in DE than the Calm and condition, plus you're still giving a wet feed.

If you are giving the recommended daily amount of hard feed, then you shouldn't need a vit/min supplement, but it sounds as though you may be giving slightly less, so I'd leave it in.

Have you looked at the equine answers range? they have a joint supplement which contains the usual glucosamine etc and devils claw, which is very reasonably priced.
 
Apache - thanks again for your reply. I'm certainly open minded about Cushings - I think my vets think I'm neurotic as it is!

Yeah, the recommended amount of C&C for her weight/size is a full stubbs scoop which works out at just about 4 mugs full - she was getting that twice daily too! A bag was barely lasting a week and a half which seemed a lot, but luckily it seems to have done the trick so have begun gradually cutting it down before we over do it.

I guess the obvious thing is to cut down on the linseed too, as long as she doesn't lose too much weight again with me cutting back on the slop! I wonder if I should feed a different chaff, perhaps Alfa A, instead of the unmolassed version which would give me more calories for my money, but I could reduce the amount she is given?
 
Should also have said I hadn't come across that supplement range, I was using vetvits which is quite cheap (I've tried Suppleaze Gold and Cortaflex in the past) but my feed merchant recommended Horse First - I was suckered in a bit as they are quite expensive. The Dodson and Horrell range seems to have devils claw in too.
 
No worries :) If she's getting the full amount of C&C then you can cut out the vitamin supplement.

I can't remember if C&C has yeast in it, if not might be worth swapping the vit supplement for brewers yeast to aid digestion (its quite cheap too).

I've used the equine answers supplement which seemed to work well - so it might be worth a go. Although, took my horse of it after I saw glucosamine isn't ideal for horses that may be prone to laminitis. So using pernamex for chrondroitin, and feeding MSM separately.

My vet didn't suggest I got my horse tested for cushings, but I'm very glad I did, and touch wood she's looking so much better on prascend. There are often free vouchers for tests at certain times of the year, so next time there is an offer, and if you have the vet coming anyway it might be worth getting your horse tested. Plus if its negative it hasn't cost you anything and may give you peace of mind ( I could worry for England!).

PS - pro earth on ebay sell devils claw too, which is meant to be human grade - that might be cheaper too.
 
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