Feeding my Yearling (Part 2!)

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Hi Guys,

I've posted about what to feed my yearling that I'm getting in the next few months beforehand, but as usual I'm having a moment of doubt and just want to voice what I'm thinking to you all who are a lot more experienced than me! :)

1) I'm pondering with the idea of giving my yearling some herbs, mainly as I want him to be as supported as he can possibly be and if they help prevent any further issues then that is a bonus, but if not then I can't see them causing any issues (however do correct me if I'm wrong!). His feed is quite bland in terms of flavour so I was thinking that it would also add a bit of flavour without using any sinister ingredients.

Currently I was thinking of the following :

Liquorice - for respiratory and gut health
Rosehips - for joints
Aloe Vera (liquid form) - for gut and general health

The above would be added to a base of the following :

Alfalfa pellets (soaked to a mash consistency)
Grass chaff
Bailey's Outshine (he's currently fed this and I will possibly be phasing this out in the future, dependant on how he goes, at the moment I don't want to change anything when he comes to me from the stud!)

Forage wise, he'll be having ad lib good quality haylage and 10-14 hours turnout per day (this is his current routine and I will be keeping to it as I want him to be as settled as possible).

I'm not set on feeding him herbs, it's just something that I'm toying with - I want him to have as natural a diet as possible (I know the Outshine kinda defeats this cause the ingredients aren't the most wholesome!).

2) I've read a lot about DJD and OCD in young horses before they're fully developed and was wondering if there is a certain risk age where the likelihood of these conditions being caused by over feeding is likely to occur? I know that over feeding a young horse in general is complete and utter no no (unless they require hard feed for a certain reason of course!), but as I'm a curious Hobbit and like to always expand my knowledge base, I was pondering the above over a cuppa this morning....

3) I've read a lot about Coolstance Copra and Alfalfa being used to feed young horses with the appropriate balancer added to balance out any deficiencies - if I were to look at this route, which one out of the two would be more preferable? I've fed both to my ulcer prone veteran (who totally threw the rules of feeding book out the window when I got him!) and I love that both can be adjusted for quantity, however with a small shared storage area, space is at a premium, so I'm looking at a simplified diet for the pair of them. I know that they are total opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of needs from feed, but if I can get them eating the sort of same thing but different quantities, it means I won't have to have any unnecessary feed bins hanging around (I already have 4 and the maximum I could get away with would be 5 so running it quite tight already!!)

Thanks to everyone who's read this far - cup of tea or coffee and biccies for you all 😘
 

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My youngster had some decent chaff(think it was Dengie Alfa Mollasses free, so he had alfalfa pellets in that) and a cup of Dodson and Horrel Suregrow. And good quality hay. Nothing wrong with adding herbs but as for anything else I wouldn’t really bother.
Thank you holeymoley, your response is very much appreciated :)

Good to know on the herb front - I am not opposed to using things like molasses etc when needed for short periods of time, but would rather not to have to use them on a regular basis. The herbs I've mentioned, I already feed to my veteran with great success, so it's good to know that I can simply feed them to my yearling too without any issues.

I've seen Suregrow mentioned a lot on here - I'm off to go do some googling to see what it's about! :)
 

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Yes to the oily herbs unless you have very mixed grazing with hedgerows, and I would add brewers yeast or yea-sacc and drop the aloe vera, which I only use when ulcers are a risk.
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Yes to the oily herbs unless you have very mixed grazing with hedgerows, and I would add brewers yeast or yea-sacc and drop the aloe vera, which I only use when ulcers are a risk.
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Hi ycbm,

Thanks for replying - I feel very honoured as I see you as a Horse and Hound Forum Oracle of knowledge 😇

Our grazing is of decent quality, tends to drop off in the winter months (whose doesn't!) and in terms of hedgerow access there isn't any unfortunately as the field boundaries are shared with another farmer who is rather precious about his hedges and therefore we fence some electric fencing at a good enough distance so that the horses can't reach and nibble the hedgerows.

I was thinking aloe vera for when he travels down from stud to me - as I'm assuming that travelling would be enough to potentially risk ulcers, however would brewers yeast or yea-sacc be a better long term solution? My veteran is prone to ulcers hence me going down the aloe vera route for my yearling too....
 

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Thanks for replying - I feel very honoured as I see you as a Horse and Hound Forum Oracle of knowledge 😇

Oh puhleeeze, half the forum have me on user ignore 🤣. And see my signature, I can always be wrong!

Aloe for the travel and afterwards until it's clear that he is totally settled would be what I will do. And tail it off, don't drop it.

Brewers yeast or yea-sacc are in most gut supplements because of their proven beneficial effects on the gut.
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Oh puhleeeze, half the forum have me on user ignore 🤣. And see my signature, I can always be wrong!

Aloe for the travel and afterwards until it's clear that he is totally settled would be what I will do. And tail it off, don't drop it.

Thanks for the advice with regards to the aloe - I'll be sure to do that :)
 

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You may find the Baileys Outshine too much. I have no experience of it but it seems to be a bit of a conditioner, it may be too much for the youngster, it has quite a high energy spec- 24mj/kg! The D&H Suregrow would be my go to over the outshine.

What is your youngster?
 

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You may find the Baileys Outshine too much. I have no experience of it but it seems to be a bit of a conditioner, it may be too much for the youngster, it has quite a high energy spec- 24mj/kg! The D&H Suregrow would be my go to over the outshine.

What is your youngster?

He is only fed a very small amount (200g per day) - all the horses at the stud are fed it in varying quantities.

I've seen him a few times and he's not overweight or anything, but large meals do put him off, hence why I'm not sure about a balancer as most I've read need to be fed at a high amount, which would lead to him not touching his feed at all...

He is a purebred Appaloosa - so the potential to be either a very good doer or a very poor doer.
 

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He is indeed - do you know him?!? Feel free to PM me :)

Ah I'm rather biased but he is scrumptious....and his coat is like velvet 😍
Not at all, just done a little search on his parents. My friend has a leopard spot Appy. I’m not sure of his breeding though but he’s brown spotted. He does look very sweet!
 

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Not at all, just done a little search on his parents. My friend has a leopard spot Appy. I’m not sure of his breeding though but he’s brown spotted. He does look very sweet!

Ah right - I thought for a second you might have heard of the stud etc :)

Appaloosa's are a firm fave breed of mine - my current veteran is a part bred Appy and so darn intelligent, he really solidified my love for the breed when I got him. So when I was looking for a youngster to train and bring on myself getting an Appaloosa was a no brainer, I do also adore TB's and ISH's but Appy's have a special place in my heart...

Aww thank you - he's an absolute diamond and for a yearling he is so wise beyond his years - super excited for the future, although if Rabbit and my veteran get talking about my veteran's past shenanigans I'm going to be screwed...😆😆
 

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One of the biggest things I've learned with my young horse is to not over complicate it. I bought him as a yearling and he's always just been on pasture, hay, a balancer, and a salt block. I added aloe during our last move. I felt like I always threw the kitchen sink at my last horse feed wise, and I'm not going down that rabbit hole again. His basic needs are met, but one of the more important things is lifestyle, IMO. Turnout and movement are so valuable.
 

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He is lovely! And its so nice to see breeders being responsible and testing for PSSM. His coat will be lovely due to the outshine. Its a mix of rice bran and linseed. If he needs condition its ideal, if he doesn't you can easily drop it and just feed 50gms of linseed.
 

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Be careful with alfalfa with an appy, mine was a wild creature on alfalfa and slightly lesser extent on linseed and had a UV sensitivity issue on a cubes full of legumes (of which alfalfa is one).
 

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One of the biggest things I've learned with my young horse is to not over complicate it. I bought him as a yearling and he's always just been on pasture, hay, a balancer, and a salt block. I added aloe during our last move. I felt like I always threw the kitchen sink at my last horse feed wise, and I'm not going down that rabbit hole again. His basic needs are met, but one of the more important things is lifestyle, IMO. Turnout and movement are so valuable.

He'll be having tons of turnout and I'm very cautious with movement etc - thanks for the tips :)
 

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He is lovely! And its so nice to see breeders being responsible and testing for PSSM. His coat will be lovely due to the outshine. Its a mix of rice bran and linseed. If he needs condition its ideal, if he doesn't you can easily drop it and just feed 50gms of linseed.

Aww thank you - I'm rather smitten myself 🥰

Ah yes - I swear by the Outshine, so much so that I'm using it on my veteran too and I'm loving how good his coat is!

It is lovely to see breeders being responsible - I'm sadly dealing with PSSM with my veteran so vowed that anything I brought next would be extensively tested for genetic issues before I committed - it's so much heart break when my veteran lad has a flare up 💔
 

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Be careful with alfalfa with an appy, mine was a wild creature on alfalfa and slightly lesser extent on linseed and had a UV sensitivity issue on a cubes full of legumes (of which alfalfa is one).

Oh blimey - thanks for the heads up!

My veteran is part Appy and copes with alfalfa fine, and my yearling is only getting a small handful of alfalfa chaff in his feed, but I'll be sure to keep an eye on him - didn't realise Appy's could be so sensitive - thanks for the heads up!
 

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Be careful with alfalfa with an appy, mine was a wild creature on alfalfa and slightly lesser extent on linseed and had a UV sensitivity issue on a cubes full of legumes (of which alfalfa is one).
This is interesting, I hadn't heard of this before. Is the UV Sensitivity quite a common thing? I have 2 coloureds, both pink skinned but one more so than the other. He's came up with a very crispy/poorly nose before and we weren't sure what caused it.
 

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This is interesting, I hadn't heard of this before. Is the UV Sensitivity quite a common thing? I have 2 coloureds, both pink skinned but one more so than the other. He's came up with a very crispy/poorly nose before and we weren't sure what caused it.

My friend who owns a grey Arab has awful issues with UV sensitivity and general sensitivity - he's normally a sweet lad but if he gets his teeth on anything on the naughty list, he goes ape.....
 
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