Finding the right help (loading and other issues)

Caramac71

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This weekend we have realised we are a bit out of our depth with my daughters horse.

Brief history, she's a 5 year old ID/Connie, has led a pretty sheltered life up til we got her 4 months ago. She has her quirks but in the first few weeks she was easy to load and travel. Only travelled short distances and tried our best to make every new experience a positive one. One day whilst travelling, probably about the 4th or 5th journey we'd done, she attempted to get over the breastbar. Scary experience for me and from that point onwards, until we could make the horsebox safe, we only travelled her with a companion. She remained easy to load and travelled quite happily with any other horse - although we did have one occasion where she was difficult to load on the way home and we have since realised she is much easier to load on hard standing and is less willing to load when on grass.

Roll on a few weeks, we had the box modified so the groom area is now filled in, and also put a window from cab. As we had changed things we spent a few days loading practising, feeding and praising her when she was on, then progressed to a couple of short journeys (as much as anything for me to get my confidence back).

Took her out on Saturday; she was reluctant to load and we realise in hindsight that we had given her an extra feed (with calmer) and a haynet an hour prior to loading so we'd kind of removed the food incentive. But she loaded in about 5 mins or so and journey was uneventful. She was quite stressed once at the venue, it was noisy and there was lots going on. Also her first experience in an indoor school. But she settled down once ridden and was all went well.

Could not get her to load to come back, must've taken at least 30 mins. We always let her take her time but it got to the point where we thought she was just taking the mickey and my daughter got more firm with her. This seemed to work and we travelled back ok.

Yesterday we were planning to go to a local dressage test. We have never attempted to take her anywhere 2 days in a row and I did wonder if it might all be a bit much for her. As we suspected, when it came to loading she wasn't having any of it. We withdrew from the dressage but knew we had to get her to load. Just wanted to get her loaded, feed and praise, and off again. No point in taking her anywhere. Eventually managed, after more than an hour of her standing on ramp and daughter sitting patiently in box. In the end I snuck round and got a lungeline behind her, which wasn't what I wanted to do as was hoping she'd load of her own accord. She stood on the box trembling, took a while to settle before she'd eat, but once she relaxed we got her off.

I guess we need to go back to basics again, but I'm really not sure what the problem is for her. Does she hate the actual travelling or is it the anticipation of where she's going that she cant cope with? She is definitely better with another horse onboard but as she is 15hh-ish and takes up a reasonable amount of the payload of our 3.5t, I dont really want to get into the situation of only travelling her with another as I am limited with what I can take.

She also has many other issues that need addressing at some stage. One is possibly linked to the travelling, as she has a fear of larger vehicles. And obviously whenever we take her to a new place there are several other horseboxes coming and going.

She has made huge progress in the short while we've had her, but she is the first horse we've owned (we have previously loaned ponies) and she is the first young horse we have had. We knew she wasn't going to be easy, she can be defensive and resistant if she doesnt understand what is being asked of her; I guess she's a typical feisty, opinionated mare! We have excellent support by way of our YO (who is currently on holiday) and various friends/instructors, some who understand her more than others.

Everyone tells us we are doing all the right things with loading but I'm thinking that now might be the time to enlist some professional help. I am wary about this though as she will not respond well to anyone that attempts to bully her into anything. We are in Kent and I'd really like to find someone who can work with her sympathetically and give us some guidance, firstly with loading issues but then also with traffic and other problems she has.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Despite her quirks, she is a lovely horse and I desperately want to get things right for her.
 

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I think she is having confidence issues, being young and not doing much before you had her, also moving homes. I think its to much for her, i would just take everything back to basics, without going out in the trailer, take her for walks out in hand to give her confidence with traffic, have you a good baby sitter on the yard.
If you can practise just walking her up the ramp and feeding her, then back out again.
 

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I agree with ameeyal. However if you do wish to get some help I'd recommend Amy Weldon. She's based in Kent and very good at working through problems of all kinds.
 

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I'm going to disagree slightly. Fwiw I think you have done nothing wrong, however youngsters can test you out. I like to take a belt and braces approach with travelling young horses. Unless they are honestly scared then I treat them as if they are going to be naughty, and I set them up to succeed. I use a Richard Maxwell halter and make sure I have a helper, and I make sure that they are listening and being mannerly before attempting to load. I don't have eye contact, I ignore any naughtiness and I don't use feed, and always allow yourself plenty of time. Better to get some experienced help, they will show you how to deal with unwanted behaviour, the fact that she was travelling and loading well when you first had her makes me think she is trying it on a bit, good luck.
 

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I think you need someone who can help you determine whether she is now genuinely a bit scared (understandable after the partition incident) or taking the mick a bit as you will need a very different approach to each of these.

I think if you could get some help with some definite direction/instructions you can follow then you will be happier that you are doing the right thing, rather than worrying about if you are/aren't too :).
 

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Thank you all for the replies

I'm going to disagree slightly. Fwiw I think you have done nothing wrong, however youngsters can test you out...

Totally agree with this and prior to Sunday I thought she was completely taking the mickey out of us - she'd load, but it would be in her time frame and on her terms. Feeding on the box helped a lot and she was totally relaxed once on. However on Sunday, she was visibly trembling when we finally got her on, despite us not making a drama of getting her on. It was clearly the anticipation of what she thought was going to happen next. I'm just not sure whether its the travelling itself, or the anticipation / fear of not knowing where she's going.

I agree with ameeyal. However if you do wish to get some help I'd recommend Amy Weldon. She's based in Kent and very good at working through problems of all kinds.

Thank you. I have been searching online for recommendations for help and came across Suzanne Marshall and wondered about contacting her. I've not come across Amy but I'll see if I can find out more about her.

I think you need someone who can help you determine whether she is now genuinely a bit scared (understandable after the partition incident) or taking the mick a bit as you will need a very different approach to each of these.

I think if you could get some help with some definite direction/instructions you can follow then you will be happier that you are doing the right thing, rather than worrying about if you are/aren't too :).

Yes that's exactly what we need. And then I need someone to teach us how to deal with times like these in a way that we feel confident to do so. It's just finding the right person - we have already discovered the hard way that different trainers have very different ideas and we know what approach doesn't work for our horse.

She is a funny mix of being young, green and a bit scared of the world, but also being dominant, bold and curious. If she hacks out with others she wants to be in front, marching out, but she really isnt actually brave enough yet to do so. I think her trust is growing with my daughter but it's early days and I just want to get things right for all of us. We just need a bit of guidance and reassurance, and someone who has the experience to read her better than we can.
 

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This is always worth a try,get some one to go in the horse box and stand where the horse stands so you know what the horse feels and hears when the horse box is moving,we have a mare and she used to sweat up when travelled ,a short journey with me taking the place of the horse, and I soon realised the two gates that are closed on the back of the box did not close tight together and rattled when the box was moving ,once that was fixed we had a very happy traveller .
 
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