Montyforever
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We have bombed and sprayed the house. Bathed and frontlined the dog over and over yet he's still covered 
What's the next step?
What's the next step?
Fleas?!?! Help!!
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Crugeran Celt
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This happened with one of our dogs who seemed to developed an imunnity to frontline. Spoke to the vet and he suggested using Advocat (think that is spelt right) she is now clear of fleas. Speak to your vet they will suggest an alternative to frontline.
starsky
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Frontline is known not to work very well. I don't know why vets continue to sell it :-/ Ask your vet for Stronghold. It does the job.
superpony
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Advocate will do the job. That's what I use and I work at a vets it really is the best stuff! Or advantage otherwise.
Star_Chaser
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they won't last long either if people continue to over use them. Really annoys me that vets and companies recommend regular treatment when an animal doesn't have fleas rather then treat when they do so that they don't get resistant.
Chestersmummy
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We've just had to pull our carpet up ro try and get rid of fleas. Doesn't help when the cats go out and bring them back with them
Montyforever
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It's awful isn't it will try one of those thanks 
will try one of those thanks 
meandmyself
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My sister has been having problems with them, too. A few things-
Put washing up liquid in jam jar lids and put them in the corners of your rooms. The little buggers will jump in but can't get back out, so they drown.
Buy a flea collar and put some of it in your hoover. It'll kill any that get sucked up (and any eggs that hatch in the hoover.)
Treat your garden too- dark shady places under plants sometimes harbour fleas.
Put washing up liquid in jam jar lids and put them in the corners of your rooms. The little buggers will jump in but can't get back out, so they drown.
Buy a flea collar and put some of it in your hoover. It'll kill any that get sucked up (and any eggs that hatch in the hoover.)
Treat your garden too- dark shady places under plants sometimes harbour fleas.
horsemadelsie
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How long have you been trying? We moved into a house that was crawling with fleas, took us about 3-4 months but with monthly frontline and weekly house spraying and hoovering with a flea collar in the hoover we finally beat the little bug***s!
We asked our vet and he said frontline is effective but is just slower- he wouldn't give us anything else to try
Good luck, you will beat them in the end!
We asked our vet and he said frontline is effective but is just slower- he wouldn't give us anything else to try
Good luck, you will beat them in the end!
CAYLA
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Did you use spray or spot on's?
Montyforever
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Used the spot on, it seems to have stopped them around his face/neck but he still has them all between his legs/around his bum. Have combed a few times and got loads out but they just seem to multiply the cat hasnt got a single one on her and neither has the rabbit. There's not so many around the house anymore they just all seem to be sitting on him
the cat hasnt got a single one on her and neither has the rabbit. There's not so many around the house anymore they just all seem to be sitting on him amy_b
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we had a flipping infestation in spring, frontline only laster about a week!!! 
we took HHOers advice and used advocate and that nipped them in the bud.
-It may be basic care that has compleeetely flown over my head all these years but I have also been womring the cats every couple of months because they look 'wormy' and not making any headway, only to read recently that fleas help tapeworm (i think!) because...ohhh I cant remember now! but somehow the worm eggs get inside the fleas,eaten maybe?! which the pets them groom and obviously eat.
So flea infestation=worm infestation.
ETA: found it - Eggs are passed in the faeces & eaten by flea larvae. Once inside the flea larvae, the egg hatches & becomes (cysticercoid). The flea larvae develops into an adult flea, which goes about it's business of parasitising your pet & sucking blood. Your cat (or dog) then ingests the flea during grooming. Once inside the stomach the flea is broken down & the tapeworm is released. It hooks onto the small intestinal wall & develops into an adult tapeworm. Once it reaches maturity (in around 2 - 3 weeks) egg filled segments break off & leave the body via the anus. These segments have the appearance of rice grains. These segments are motile (capable of movement). Once these segments have dried out they have the appearance of sesame seeds. They are then eaten by flea larvae & so the cycle begins once again.
we took HHOers advice and used advocate and that nipped them in the bud.
-It may be basic care that has compleeetely flown over my head all these years but I have also been womring the cats every couple of months because they look 'wormy' and not making any headway, only to read recently that fleas help tapeworm (i think!) because...ohhh I cant remember now!
but somehow the worm eggs get inside the fleas,eaten maybe?! which the pets them groom and obviously eat. So flea infestation=worm infestation.
ETA: found it - Eggs are passed in the faeces & eaten by flea larvae. Once inside the flea larvae, the egg hatches & becomes (cysticercoid). The flea larvae develops into an adult flea, which goes about it's business of parasitising your pet & sucking blood. Your cat (or dog) then ingests the flea during grooming. Once inside the stomach the flea is broken down & the tapeworm is released. It hooks onto the small intestinal wall & develops into an adult tapeworm. Once it reaches maturity (in around 2 - 3 weeks) egg filled segments break off & leave the body via the anus. These segments have the appearance of rice grains. These segments are motile (capable of movement). Once these segments have dried out they have the appearance of sesame seeds. They are then eaten by flea larvae & so the cycle begins once again.
Llewellyn
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While I massively hate ingested treatments the only thing I can get to work is Johnsons 4fleas tablets for dogs. And hoovering everyday, all non essential material vacuum packed. I'm curious why nobody has suggested them. Fortunately I only have to use them occasionally but does anyone else find them any good.
misterjinglejay
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Frontline combi/plus still works well, but not the normal frontline.
Dolcé
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Echo Amy_b, definitely need to worm at the same time as flea treatments. We had a few some weeks ago because grandaughter brought some home from her other grandma's, it is the first time we have had them in years. I bought a spray that contains permetherin (as in deosect) amongst other things that is supposed to last for up to a year and did the dogs and cat with worm and spot on treatments, it all seems to have worked so far! Cost me £62 though so other grandmas flea pit is now banned (she has had them for years and just will not treat them) as grandaughter is allergic and still covered in bites all over her body. Little JRT is also allergic and has 2 bald patches where she has ragged at herself - I treated within 24 hours of them arriving, immediately I saw one on the dog. Horrible things!
moosea
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I used to foster and often had dogs brought in alive with fleas.
I found that an initial bath with a mild benzyl benzoate solution killed all the fleas on the dog instantly. Then kept up monthly spraying of all soft furnishings and regular flea treatments on the dog kept them at bay.
I found that an initial bath with a mild benzyl benzoate solution killed all the fleas on the dog instantly. Then kept up monthly spraying of all soft furnishings and regular flea treatments on the dog kept them at bay.
bumper
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I have also found Frontline to be really quite useless recently, ineffective after less them 2 weeks of spot-on treatment. I had to go to the vets anyway, as one of my dogs managed to acquire fox mange (sigh), and he prescribed Advocate for this.....it kills fleas as well, so now have both dogs and the cat on the monthly spot-on Advocate. Fleas all gone.
It does seem that Advocate kills a whole gamut of unwanted parasites (incl worms):
Advocate for Dogs is a clear yellow to brownish solution containing 10 % imidacloprid and 2.5 % moxidectin with benzyl alcohol and Butylhydroxytoluene 1 mg/ml (E 321). The products are presented in a single use plastic pipette for cutaneous (spot-on) treatments. Each pipette contains either 0.4 ml (40 mg imidacloprid, 10 mg moxidectin), 1.0 ml (100 mg imidacloprid, 25 mg moxidectin), 2.5 ml (250 mg imidacloprid, 62.5 mg moxidectin) or 4.0 ml (400 mg imidacloprid, 100 mg moxidectin).
Uses; For use in dogs suffering from, or at risk from, mixed parasitic infections: For the treatment and prevention of flea infestation (Ctenocephalides felis), treatment of ear mite infestation (Otodectes cynotis) and prevention of heartworm disease (L3 and L4 larvae of Dirofilaria immitis) and for the treatment of biting lice (Trichodectes canis), sarcoptic mange (caused by Sarcoptes scabiei var. canis), demodicosis (caused by Demodex canis), prevention of heartworm disease (L3 and L4 larvae of Dirofilaria immitis) and angiostrongylosis (L4 larvae and immature adults of Angiostrongylus vasorum). Treatment of Angiostrongylus vasorum and Crenosoma vulpis and treatment of infections with gastrointestinal nematodes (L4 larvae, immature adults and adults of Toxocara canis, Ancylostoma caninum, Uncinaria stenocephala and adults of Toxascaris leonina and Trichuris vulpis).
It does seem that Advocate kills a whole gamut of unwanted parasites (incl worms):
Advocate for Dogs is a clear yellow to brownish solution containing 10 % imidacloprid and 2.5 % moxidectin with benzyl alcohol and Butylhydroxytoluene 1 mg/ml (E 321). The products are presented in a single use plastic pipette for cutaneous (spot-on) treatments. Each pipette contains either 0.4 ml (40 mg imidacloprid, 10 mg moxidectin), 1.0 ml (100 mg imidacloprid, 25 mg moxidectin), 2.5 ml (250 mg imidacloprid, 62.5 mg moxidectin) or 4.0 ml (400 mg imidacloprid, 100 mg moxidectin).
Uses; For use in dogs suffering from, or at risk from, mixed parasitic infections: For the treatment and prevention of flea infestation (Ctenocephalides felis), treatment of ear mite infestation (Otodectes cynotis) and prevention of heartworm disease (L3 and L4 larvae of Dirofilaria immitis) and for the treatment of biting lice (Trichodectes canis), sarcoptic mange (caused by Sarcoptes scabiei var. canis), demodicosis (caused by Demodex canis), prevention of heartworm disease (L3 and L4 larvae of Dirofilaria immitis) and angiostrongylosis (L4 larvae and immature adults of Angiostrongylus vasorum). Treatment of Angiostrongylus vasorum and Crenosoma vulpis and treatment of infections with gastrointestinal nematodes (L4 larvae, immature adults and adults of Toxocara canis, Ancylostoma caninum, Uncinaria stenocephala and adults of Toxascaris leonina and Trichuris vulpis).
Faro
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Would anyone out there know how soon after a treatment of Frontline spot-on (which doesn't seem to have worked) it would be safe to treat with Advocate, if I were to get some? Frontline was last used 2 weeks ago, but despite daily house spraying also, fleas are still evident. (We also have 2 cats, treated at the same time - no fleas visible on the cats however).
bumper
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Faro, I'd treated both my dogs with Frontline spot-on 13 days before taking the one who got the fox mange to the vets, and he advised that the Advocate could be used immediately.