foal rescued?

[hihosilver]

Hope its true there is a post on FB saying the little foal that was tied up with the bit in its mouth has been rescued along with other animals. The RSPCA have rescued him and he is safe.

 

[ihatework]

Hope its true there is a post on FB saying the little foal that was tied up with the bit in its mouth has been rescued along with other animals. The RSPCA have rescued him and he is safe.

I hope the RSPCA have been publicly shamed into taking action

 

[spottybotty]

I read an update that said he was dead? The problem is FB is so unreliable as a source of info.

 

[hihosilver]

I read an update that said he was dead? The problem is FB is so unreliable as a source of info.

yes it is but Bradford RSPCA has him- so I guess it could be true? hoping it is anyway.

 

[Goldenstar]

Possiblity they where taken and he was then PTS .
I hope not , but if it's true at least his suffering is over .
Poor little man .

 

[honetpot]

Apparently its been part of the discussion in parliament.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/24/the-rspca-are-scared-of-gypsies-apparently-5773456/

 

[HBB]

Hope its true there is a post on FB saying the little foal that was tied up with the bit in its mouth has been rescued along with other animals. The RSPCA have rescued him and he is safe.

This has now been confirmed:

http://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/statement/1215_3

 

[Illusion100]

Yes, animal rescue groups are often too intimidated to 'act' when Travellers are the owners and IME it's due the fact that most charity members/officers are female visiting alone on a case, 9.9 out of 10 times surrounded and outnumbered by male Travellers who again 9.9 times out of 10 personally threaten charity workers while holding items such as crow bars, hammers, chains and even knives.

It's not particularly pleasant I can tell you.

During the time I worked with a Vet practice, quite a number of seizures were carried out. 100% of the animals seized were owned by Travellers. Usually, we'd get a call from a charity asking US to go and investigate any animal welfare concerns initially. We held more clout you see, harder to tell a VET they are wrong but easy to cower a charity worker by telling them they don't know what they're talking about.

At the visit the Vet would decide what to do. Often the Vet would be able to talk to the owner and discuss the issues, if the horse was indeed ill but not 'on the verge of death', a treatment plan was offered, meds were supplied and the bill was settled in cash there and then, always on the condition that a follow up visit would happen within the appropriate timeframe to ensure the horse was improving.

In the cases where the horse wasn't improving, options were they could take it to the practice for more intense treatment and care. If they refused, we'd call Police, charity to come with transport and we'd then go back and seize. Same thing happened if on the 1st visit the horse(s) were too ill to wait, they would be seized that day.

The amount of times we were severely threatened are too numerous to count. Once we were even told 'they'd never find our bodies'. We still took their horses but we were always very glad when we got the job done and drove off!

Luckily neither the Vet or I are easily intimidated and as bizarre as this sounds the fact that I'm Irish seemed to have influence. The more they heard my accent the less aggressive they became, it was so odd. We also found the severity of the horse(s) injury/illness/neglect was directly proportionate to the hostility we were met with.

 

[hairycob]

A friends daughter worked for the RSPCA as a volunteer vet in one of their hospitals. Staff were never alone e.g. A vet would always have at least one nurse with them in an examination. This was due to the extremely regular occurence of them being assaulted/threatened with weapons etc. So I can imagine an officer off site in those circumstances will feel extremely vulnerable. As long as people can get away with treating a vet in a clinic like that what chance they will care about the animals.

 

[Goldenstar]

During my time as a welfare officer I was chased with crow bars , saw a man try to pull an RSPCA officer out of the window of my car he was stopped by my labrador jumping into the front of the car and barking at him in the same incident another person hurled himself on to the bonnet of my car and then they chased us on bicycles ( that bit was quite funny ) the police had accompanied the lorry with the horse in we where just behind them and got blocked in .
At another I negotiated the signing over of an horse who was in extreme old age and suffering a lot accompanied by six armed police officers and about a dozen unarmed ones all wearing bullet proof jackets and large cohort of men who could not get their arms to their sides who arrived in a fleet of blacked out mercs on the 'other 'side that was a surreal day .
And yes at one area lived in by people fond of selling Tarmac and collecting tyres we could not stop we had to do drive through checks in unmarked vehicles guns had been produced on calls there although not when I was present.
These can be very dangerous people not used to living life by normal rules and the manner normal to most of us .
They are used to doing what they want when they want and don't take well to people standing up to them .
TBH you went saw the horse often from a distance assessed the situation and then went in with help if it looked a bit iffy .
It's not the case of one RSPCA officer trying to remove a horse without the owners consent alone by the time you are at that stage there will be at least two welfare officers at least one vet and a least two police officers and usually men with the lorry that can take time to put together and that may have been what's going on with these poor horses.
I really really hope there better days ahead for that poor little chap .

 

[maisie06]

Yes, animal rescue groups are often too intimidated to 'act' when Travellers are the owners and IME it's due the fact that most charity members/officers are female visiting alone on a case, 9.9 out of 10 times surrounded and outnumbered by male Travellers who again 9.9 times out of 10 personally threaten charity workers while holding items such as crow bars, hammers, chains and even knives.

It's not particularly pleasant I can tell you.

During the time I worked with a Vet practice, quite a number of seizures were carried out. 100% of the animals seized were owned by Travellers. Usually, we'd get a call from a charity asking US to go and investigate any animal welfare concerns initially. We held more clout you see, harder to tell a VET they are wrong but easy to cower a charity worker by telling them they don't know what they're talking about.

At the visit the Vet would decide what to do. Often the Vet would be able to talk to the owner and discuss the issues, if the horse was indeed ill but not 'on the verge of death', a treatment plan was offered, meds were supplied and the bill was settled in cash there and then, always on the condition that a follow up visit would happen within the appropriate timeframe to ensure the horse was improving.

In the cases where the horse wasn't improving, options were they could take it to the practice for more intense treatment and care. If they refused, we'd call Police, charity to come with transport and we'd then go back and seize. Same thing happened if on the 1st visit the horse(s) were too ill to wait, they would be seized that day.

The amount of times we were severely threatened are too numerous to count. Once we were even told 'they'd never find our bodies'. We still took their horses but we were always very glad when we got the job done and drove off!

Luckily neither the Vet or I are easily intimidated and as bizarre as this sounds the fact that I'm Irish seemed to have influence. The more they heard my accent the less aggressive they became, it was so odd. We also found the severity of the horse(s) injury/illness/neglect was directly proportionate to the hostility we were met with.

This is EXACTLY why the UK needs USA style animal welfare that is attached to law enforcement, get rid of the ridiculous RSPCA with no powers that splashes money on fatcat executives and will only act to make them look good and bring in hard line sherrifs with powers to immeditely remove suffering animals and arrest those responsible for cruelty and neglect, wallop up the price of alchohol and tobbacco to pay for it too!!!

 

[Illusion100]

This is EXACTLY why the UK needs USA style animal welfare that is attached to law enforcement, get rid of the ridiculous RSPCA with no powers that splashes money on fatcat executives and will only act to make them look good and bring in hard line sherrifs with powers to immeditely remove suffering animals and arrest those responsible for cruelty and neglect, wallop up the price of alchohol and tobbacco to pay for it too!!!

Well, some of us need a stiff drink and a fag after seizing animals from threatening Travellers, let us have our vices at a fair price at least!

 

[Moomin1]

This is EXACTLY why the UK needs USA style animal welfare that is attached to law enforcement, get rid of the ridiculous RSPCA with no powers that splashes money on fatcat executives and will only act to make them look good and bring in hard line sherrifs with powers to immeditely remove suffering animals and arrest those responsible for cruelty and neglect, wallop up the price of alchohol and tobbacco to pay for it too!!!

Try walking a day in an RSPCA officers boots and then say they are useless. How do you think the officers on the ground who work tirelessly and often many many hours overtime to try and help animals, feel when people endlessly slag them off? If you are 100% sure that every single RSPCA officer and employee are 'ridiculous' and 'useless' then fire away, but otherwise, perhaps spend a second to re-phrase what you type and make it a little less critical all round.

 

[Illusion100]

Try walking a day in an RSPCA officers boots and then say they are useless. How do you think the officers on the ground who work tirelessly and often many many hours overtime to try and help animals, feel when people endlessly slag them off? If you are 100% sure that every single RSPCA officer and employee are 'ridiculous' and 'useless' then fire away, but otherwise, perhaps spend a second to re-phrase what you type and make it a little less critical all round.

Bit harsh, I understand why you were but I don't think maisie06 has a problem with the 'foot soldiers' particularly, rather the 'fat cats' governing the RSPCA and their priorities.

 

[Moomin1]

Bit harsh, I understand why you were but I don't think maisie06 has a problem with the 'foot soldiers' particularly, rather the 'fat cats' governing the RSPCA and their priorities.

No, Maisie06 said that the RSPCA only act to make themselves look good, which basically would imply the 'foot soldiers' as you refer them to do so too. If it were the case that the 'foot soldiers' felt that higher management acted unlawfully and were 'ridiculous', do you seriously believe they would continue to work for them? And many many officers have been in for decades if not their entire career. I get really angry when I continuously read sweeping statements tarring every single RSPCA associate with the same brush. It's the same as those who slag the NHS off. They can do nothing but spread negativity and hatred without having a sensible balanced viewpoint and realising the bigger picture.

 

[Illusion100]

No, Maisie06 said that the RSPCA only act to make themselves look good, which basically would imply the 'foot soldiers' as you refer them to do so too. If it were the case that the 'foot soldiers' felt that higher management acted unlawfully and were 'ridiculous', do you seriously believe they would continue to work for them? And many many officers have been in for decades if not their entire career. I get really angry when I continuously read sweeping statements tarring every single RSPCA associate with the same brush. It's the same as those who slag the NHS off. They can do nothing but spread negativity and hatred without having a sensible balanced viewpoint and realising the bigger picture.

I appreciate you feel very strongly about this subject. The 'Politics' you raise are very valid and worth discussion.

 

[Moomin1]

I appreciate you feel very strongly about this subject. The 'Politics' you raise are very valid and worth discussion.

I don't do 'politics' Illusion100. It's very interesting that you used that word. It seems that any supporter of the RSPCA gets the word politics tagged onto them immediately. I hate politics. Can't be arsed with it. Never voted. Don't get involved. I just hate the fact that hard working people get slagged off to the hills without people taking a sensible, balanced and fully informed (which believe me, the majority of these anti RSPCA posts are really way out fact wise) approach. But then that's social media and ignorant people.

 

[Illusion100]

I don't do 'politics' Illusion100. It's very interesting that you used that word. It seems that any supporter of the RSPCA gets the word politics tagged onto them immediately. I hate politics. Can't be arsed with it. Never voted. Don't get involved. I just hate the fact that hard working people get slagged off to the hills without people taking a sensible, balanced and fully informed (which believe me, the majority of these anti RSPCA posts are really way out fact wise) approach. But then that's social media and ignorant people.

I don't do Polictics either, I did vote once and I felt very dirty. Took some epsom salts to cleanse it off.

 

[chillipup]

This is EXACTLY why the UK needs USA style animal welfare that is attached to law enforcement, get rid of the ridiculous RSPCA with no powers that splashes money on fatcat executives and will only act to make them look good and bring in hard line sherrifs with powers to immeditely remove suffering animals and arrest those responsible for cruelty and neglect, wallop up the price of alchohol and tobbacco to pay for it too!!!

deleted...

 

[chillipup]

No, Maisie06 said that the RSPCA only act to make themselves look good, which basically would imply the 'foot soldiers' as you refer them to do so too. If it were the case that the 'foot soldiers' felt that higher management acted unlawfully and were 'ridiculous', do you seriously believe they would continue to work for them? And many many officers have been in for decades if not their entire career. I get really angry when I continuously read sweeping statements tarring every single RSPCA associate with the same brush. It's the same as those who slag the NHS off. They can do nothing but spread negativity and hatred without having a sensible balanced viewpoint and realising the bigger picture.

^^ This.

 

[Crugeran Celt]

I do think there is an issue with the RSPCA, was watching a programme on them a few months ago where they were called out to a tethered horse. When they arrived they found a well fed horse with access to clean water and a high wall for shelter, tethered correctly, if there is such a thing!! Plenty of good grazing hence why the horse was very well covered. The RSPCA officer then went on to explain to the owner that a horse needed feeding, extra hay, a stable and to be rugged! The horse was a traditional cob carrying too much weight already. Mad to suggest it needed more, obviously never heard of laminitis! I also called them regarding a pony which was in very poor condition and they asked if the pony was on its feet and trying to graze I confirmed it was and they said they could do nothing unless the pony deteriorated further?? Just two examples, I have quite a few more and it depresses me that an organisation that does so much good lets itself down on too many occasions. I hope this foal has been taken in and is now being looked after but if he has been PTS then at lwast he will suffer no more.

 

[DD]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206464175583054&set=pcb.10206464176943088&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/beverley.wilson.37?fref=photo

 

[hihosilver]

So they just took 3!?

 

[PeterNatt]

Illusion 100 and Goldenstar have given us some real in-site in to the problems associated with dealing with some members of the community.
My advice would always be in the first instance to report Equine Welfare issues to BHS or WHW, as they specialise in equines so will have a better understanding about them.

 

[ChesnutsRoasting]

Try walking a day in an RSPCA officers boots and then say they are useless. How do you think the officers on the ground who work tirelessly and often many many hours overtime to try and help animals, feel when people endlessly slag them off? If you are 100% sure that every single RSPCA officer and employee are 'ridiculous' and 'useless' then fire away, but otherwise, perhaps spend a second to re-phrase what you type and make it a little less critical all round.

Well said.

 

[Luci07]

Interesting post. I have a big problem with the politics of the RSPCA at the senior level but feel quite protective of the "real" RSPCA who are on the ground. I had assumed that it was never going to be pleasant or easy having to deal with ill treated pets and their owners. It's even worse than I had assumed. I do seem to read equal posts one side furious that the RSPCA had been called into see their horses versus the raging from people who think their calls are being ignored. Glad the foal has been removed and is now in safe keeping.

 

[maisie06]

No, Maisie06 said that the RSPCA only act to make themselves look good, which basically would imply the 'foot soldiers' as you refer them to do so too. If it were the case that the 'foot soldiers' felt that higher management acted unlawfully and were 'ridiculous', do you seriously believe they would continue to work for them? And many many officers have been in for decades if not their entire career. I get really angry when I continuously read sweeping statements tarring every single RSPCA associate with the same brush. It's the same as those who slag the NHS off. They can do nothing but spread negativity and hatred without having a sensible balanced viewpoint and realising the bigger picture.

They are ruddy useless IMHO....an RSPCA inspector messed up a big cruelty case in our local area in a big way and the owners got off scott free because this idiot was inept at the job....not to mention other animals left in dangerous situations and the RSPCA will only act once a decent welfare organisation is involved, I still say get rid of this ridiculous charity as they have let so many animals down.

 

[catroo]

They are ruddy useless IMHO....an RSPCA inspector messed up a big cruelty case in our local area in a big way and the owners got off scott free because this idiot was inept at the job....not to mention other animals left in dangerous situations and the RSPCA will only act once a decent welfare organisation is involved, I still say get rid of this ridiculous charity as they have let so many animals down.

How very narrow minded. I assume you have never ever made a mistake in your job?

RSPCA aren't perfect by any means and no they don't/can't save them all but they must of rescued over a million animals by now.

Personally I call WHW for horses as its their area of expertise. RSPCA is like your average vet, great at small animals but haven't touched a horse since training

 

[jofwigby]

This is EXACTLY why the UK needs USA style animal welfare that is attached to law enforcement, get rid of the ridiculous RSPCA with no powers that splashes money on fatcat executives and will only act to make them look good and bring in hard line sherrifs with powers to immeditely remove suffering animals and arrest those responsible for cruelty and neglect, wallop up the price of alchohol and tobbacco to pay for it too!!!

I don't know if any of you have read any of the submissions to the EFRA Inquiry into the Effectiveness of the Animal Welfare Act (written evidence published last week) - interesting reading especially all the charities and the Police etc

 

[hairycob]

Do you have a link to that?