Following on from the hacking alone thread....

Iznurgle

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I have a 5 year old connie gelding, who's a complete boy. Quite playful, independent, green but coming on great in the school and on the ground (unless there's a new horse in the arena with him, he's quite insistent that he should get to come over and say hello). Hacking in company he's fine, clearly pulls confidence from the other horses, but happy enough to toddle along and even get left a little behind without getting flustered. On his own however, he's a total monkey! He'll plant, any attempt to push him on (hands forward, seat pushing, squeezing with the lower leg, even a few pony club kicks if there's a car waiting for us!) usually results in a fair pace backwards. He'll try to turn, end up sideways across the (thankfully quiet, horse conscious) laneways, and will pop a few small knee-high rears.
I carry one of the padded short sticks, and will tap him on the shoulder to minimise the turning, but between the backwards and the rearing, I'm at a bit of a loss. I've hand walked him in tack and in just a headcollar, not a bother. Long lining down the road? Total disaster. Under saddle? I count myself lucky if we get 200m out of the yard and 10 good steps continuously. I'm not in a position where we can do looped hacks, and it's roads for about 2km to the nearest off road area in both directions.

This is clearly a learned behaviour, as when he first arrived he was happy to go for a pootle alone or with someone on the ground walking next to us (or behind, or in front!). I'm kicking myself for not keeping better notes, but I think he started becoming nappy when a farmer next door left a roller in a field along the drive, and it blew his mind. About once a week we go out in hand, marching up and down the road, very confident, very curious, but under saddle he's just a sod. With Summer here, we can also ride in a field used as a polocrosse pitch, but to get there we need to head down a lane (still on the yard) to the field, and the same behaviour happens there. The lane we go down is the exact same one he uses on turn in/out.
I'm quite certain it's not fear, and I'm happy that his tack fits and he's not in pain (saddler, physio, dentist etc. all up to date and no issues in the arena) and he's completely sound, fully shod with road pins as it's quite hilly. Obviously I'm not expecting a quick fix, but I've overthought it to the point where I can't even be bothered trying to think of a solution, everything seems too overwhelming. It's not the end of the world if he never hacks alone, but I'm thinking of what happens if we go schooling somewhere.

I've not been forcing him, I've been reassuring and cooing and praising him for being good, and staying calm and tactical when he acts up, but it's wearing me down. I'm certainly sick of the arena! I've picked up some of the Premiere Performance calming cookies and I'll be giving him half of one today to see how it hits him, and once I'm happy with how he feels on them, I was going to try another short hack after he's had one, but at this point I'm anxious at the thought.

Apologies for the length and possible rambling, but can anyone even point me in the right direction of what to be thinking of and what to be doing? Thank you!
 

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I am sure that more experienced people will be able to give you better advice. However, you could perhaps consider having a look at Warwick Schillers YouTube video 'Teaching Your Horse To Trail Ride'.
Are you able to lead him down the lane and past his turnout field and then get on further away? My little cob never liked the driveway at his previous yard (between two high brick walls so sound echoed) so I would lead him along there and get on further down. We were then off exploring the world!
If he plants then you could simply sit and do nothing - keep breathing or hum a tune! As soon as he takes one step forward when he get bored then lots of praise - you could even dismount at that point if that seems like the best reward?
I've been very lucky that my horses have not reared or been ultra sharp so I've had time to get inventive in tricky situations - I would panic and freeze with a really sharp horse.
Good luck!
 

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What got mine going out alone was to lead for the first half of a circular route and hop on once we were heading for home. Once he was settled with that, I started getting on earlier and earlier on the route until I could ride from the very start.
It does take time to get there though, I would make sure you never turn around and come back the way you came, always pick routes that loop, otherwise you risk encouraging the nappyness.
While my lad never reared (thank goodness!) I found it was better to hop off if he started spinning and pratting about and just lead him on again rather than have a fight while mounted, that way his tantrums didn't get him anywhere, he still had to go forwards.
 

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I second taking someone with you a couple of times. Take a lead rope and make that person hold it while you ride out or if you like just have someone come along and grab the reins if needed. If he plants and naps make him move the usual way, if he doesn't want to make the person holding the lead rope/reins make him go forward. Reward if he even puts one hoof forward. Eventually the horse will learn that moving forward is the only, and easy, way and that it is rewarded. That's how I solved a riding out alone problem with a 20 year old mare ?
 

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I’d start back as if he’s freshly backed. Take a foot soldier - on foot or bike/walking the dog. Will he also go in front in company?
 

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Thank you everyone for the extremely helpful replies!
I'm certainly aware that I tend to hold my breath, so there's been much vocal cooing and sing songing my way down the lanes. I'll recruit a foot soldier, unfortunately the OH isn't horsey, but he'll suffice in a pinch. I think taking a few steps back and having a leader on foot might be our way forward (get it?) with this issue. In a group he'll happily lead on the way home, but on the way out he gets a little hesitant, hanging back so other horses can catch up, occasionally throwing in a little rear in frustration. I feel like it's very much him testing limits, which I understand, but he's also reaching my own limit!
I should add, we've been doing plenty of small, annoying circles on the road to make it clear that going forward is the easier answer, but he has a habit of locking his neck and fighting me on occasion, when I'd rather have a civil conversation. I suppose this is what I get with a rescue with personality!
 
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Absolutely DO NOT have some 'grab the reins' lead rope yes but never ever have a in the floor person grab the reins', he is a rearer and is it is highly likely being grabbed and blocked by someone will make him go up higher and higher. Leading from a lead rope is the safest option and I would deff do this
 

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Absolutely DO NOT have some 'grab the reins' lead rope yes but never ever have a in the floor person grab the reins', he is a rearer and is it is highly likely being grabbed and blocked by someone will make him go up higher and higher. Leading from a lead rope is the safest option and I would deff do this

Sorry, my bad. I missed the fact that the horse reared ?
 

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For babies that plant and really refuse to move I do one of two things, depending on the horse and situation:
1) I get off and lead for a couple of hundred metres and then get back on. I'll usually carry on the hack and then come back to the sticky place before going home and ride backwards and forwards up that stretch a few times (getting off again if necessary), until it's not longer sticky before going home.

2) turn around and rein back in the direction I want to go. Reverse a few metres, turn and try forwards again, give them a moment and then if still stuck turn and reverse again...rinse and repeat until moving forwards in correct direction.

A lot of youngsters will have a 'what happens if I just stop' moment at some point but I've always found that with one of techniques above it isn't more than once or twice. Your horse has an established habit now so you will have to do more repetitions and be more persistent, but it should still resolve relatively quickly if you keep at it.
 

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A few things to try-

Get a foot soldier to accompany you a few times to get his confidence back up about being out.

Lead him for the first part of your hack and then ride the rest of the way.

Box him somewhere and ride him home.

I have a reverser who takes things one step further and rears really impressively. Irritatingly, the lane off our yard has a birket running down the side and the first 50 yards, the lane is the width of one car and then a 10 foot drop down the bank into the water. If Millie kicks off there, I’m in big trouble.

The more pressure I put on her, the worse she gets, so I have to take all the pressure off and let her calm down and then try one of a few things (which work depending on her mood)- over enthusiastic voice praise and a bit of leg, growling at her or niggling her along using one leg at a time and keeping her body bent a bit so she can’t go up.
 
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