Following Sojephs post:Breeding question

[sleepingdragon10]

How much of a height difference between mare and stallion(ie smaller mare,bigger stallion) would you be comfortable with?

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Bethxx

 

[Rachel_M]

I would love to see a what a shetand/shire mix would create! Just joking...

Do you me in regards to covering or just general gene mixing?

 

[Super_Kat]

I wouldn't want the stallion to be any more than 2 hands bigger than the mare.

 

[lucysnapshot]

My mare is 14.2hh and 20 yrs old i put her in foal to 15.3hh stallion because of her age. If she was older id consider up to 16.3hh

 

[sallyf]

My little T.B stallion is 15.2 and we have covered as small as 13hands with him , they were native types.
Some photos her of the mares and foals , none had any trouble foaling.
The first foal is 4 days old ,13.1hh maiden mare 12 yrs.
The second foal is 6wks ,13 hh 2nd foal 17yrs
The third foal is 3 months , 14.2 hh 18yrs maiden mare.

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[sojeph]

Stunning foals..what sort of height did they make?

 

[Rachel_M]

I can't see a problem with breeding a couple of hands higher. After all, no matter the size of the stallion its the size of the mare that will dictate the foals size. When it grows older it would perhaps outgrow the mare.

 

[Tia]

Yes you are right in the majority of cases. When the foal is inside the mother, it's size is dictated by the size of the mothers womb. It is only once the foal is born that both genetic sizes influence the end height of said foal.

Having said that I wouldn't breed a 12.2hh to anything higher than 15.2hh.

 

[sallyf]

The first two foals are 3 this year ,the chestnut one looks like he will make around 14.2 perhaps slightly bigger.
The second one looks like he will be ths smallest at around 14 hands and the third foal is only a yearling this year.
she was born on jersey in May 2006 but her owners seem to think she could make over 15 hands which is what they want as bred to be a young riders event horse,(mother represented England at European champs)

 

[sleepingdragon10]

Covering and any resultant problems associated with birthing a foal from a larger stallion.

 

[sallyf]

Although we have natural covered small mares i prefer to A.I them to take any risk away.
Also foaling , usually a T.B sired foal would have a lower birthweight than say a foal by a welsh cob as the bone structure will be smaller to start with.
Also i think that native mares are not pumped full of protein to force foal size so are born relitively easily.
They also generally have good sized pelvic arches .

 

[Rachel_M]

The only problem I could see would be if you was breeding a large mare to a smaller stallion being naturally covered.


I remember reading an article about Richard Maxwell, I think it was him*, dealing with a young stallion who covered a broad mare and damaged some nerves in his shoulder.


But if you are planning to breed AI then its just a case of deciding what you want the foal to be. Many Natives, smaller ones, are bred to tb's to breed finer built but still hardy competition ponies.



Oooh, who are you planning to breed??

 

[sleepingdragon10]

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Oooh, who are you planning to breed??

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At the minute I'm just tossing an idea round my head,although I admit that generally that's a very dangerous thing to do

 

[Rachel_M]

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Oooh, who are you planning to breed??

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At the minute I'm just tossing an idea round my head,although I admit that generally that's a very dangerous thing to do

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I have been known to toss things around my head- My only braincell lives in fear......

What type of pony do you have? What is the type are you wanting to breed?

 

[sleepingdragon10]

I have the little welshie in my sig....she can;t be ridden,so a riding pony for my little boy would be great.Pony is a Sec A,but doesn't have any papers,so was looking at riding pony stallions,and have been pointed in the direction of Littledale Bright Star,who stands at Catherston.

 

[Rachel_M]

Lovely smexy little man!

Quite a fine build so shouldn't result in anything to chunky.

Good luckx

 

[henryhorn]

We accepted most heights to our 16.1hh stallion until someone turned up with a tiny 14hh mare. He struggled to cover her and we had to support her and stand her on a hill, and really common sense should have made us say no.
We decided after her no smaller than a chunky 14.2hh, though the first mare's foal was a middleweight 15.2 hh aged 4!
I did see our stallion chase and cover a 12 hh Dartmoor, fortunately the didn't take as
she was 28 years old and a maiden...He had jumped onto a six feet high bank in his field, popped the fence on the top, dropped over 8 feet into her field, and chased her for an hour and a half until exhausted she stood uphill for him.. (yes we did attempt to catch both but an impossible task believe me!)

 

[sleepingdragon10]

Crikey,the lad must have been very determined!

 

[MillionDollar]

My 2 13.2hh mares are in-foal to a 16hh WB. This was with A.I. though

My friend breeds palomino horses/ponies (has been for over 20 yrs now) and covered her 11.2hh mare with her 15hh stallion. She produced absolutely stunning foals with him, she must have had 3 or 4 with him, never a problem. Her best from him was a gorgeous 13hh palomino gelding, lovely pony, fantastic with the kids and has won quite a lot too.

Good Luck with yours, its very exciting.....and stressful, lol

 

[sallyf]

He is throwing some cracking foals.

 

[sleepingdragon10]

Really?Do you know much about him Sally?

 

[sallyf]

I have never seen him but he has a wonderful English pedigree which is tried and tested over many generations.
His foals at the BEF breeding championships scored really highly better than alot of the horses did .
So they must be athletic and correct.
Many of the sports pony breeders seem to be using him.