Forget the toilet roll and hand sanitiser, I just panic bought a horse!

PaulnasherryRocky

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I'd been tentatively looking for a nice ready to back 4 or 5 year old, so the obvious choice was to put a deposit down on this 9 month old chap.

Meet Peregrina Chingolo (Falco for short), he is a Criollo X TB by Arrayan Numa and I can't wait to bring him home after he has been geldded (Probably about May will be collection day!)

Naturally, i'm full on questions already with him being my first youngster -

1. What level of vetting does a yearling require? I was planning to just ask vet to check eyes & heart before commencing with the castration, which I thought was essentially all a 2 stage vetting did - would a 2 stage vetting do anything more? (obviously I would pay for the extra checks)

2. When i pick him up, my yard will be on 24/7 turnout - perfect. However from October, we usually have to bring in at night - would bringing a youngster in at night for 6 months of the year be detrimental to their growth? (He would be in from 7pm - 7:30am) I was considering sending him to a friends 24/7 turnout over the winter months, but then worried that moving him from herd to herd might be more stressful then just coming in at night with my other horse and being stabled next to him (They can groom eachother over the stable wall)

Are there any studies (and links to them) that cover horse health & strength comparing youngsters who are in at night, and youngsters who are out all the time? I can be flexible with it, i'm just not sure if i'm already over thinking it and should just see how he gets on nearer the time! To be honest, with my current horse already having arthirtus it might be worth considering moving them both to 24/7 turnout...

I'm looking forward to learning a whole new side of horsemanship with this one, and my current horse Rocky will hopefully teach him how to be a complete dude!
 

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PaulnasherryRocky

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I wouldn't be so concerned about physical growth, more his mental and social wellbeing. I would definitely send him for 24/7 turnout in October.

It's a pity more people don't make provision for this when they buy a youngster, going on some of the threads that appear on here.

Thanks Nudibranch, I'm quite lucky that i've got a choice of 3 places I could send him at the moment, 2 are good friends but they are quite far away, 1 is just up the road but would possibly mean moving my current horse as well - moving to grass livery is something i've been thinking of for a while - it might do us all some good as it should help my current horse with his rehab & barefoot transition.
 

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I don’t know if you already know but Arrayan used to belong to the Chamfron stud they have a FB page. I followed it as it had some fantastic photos of the horses and wildlife in the area.

https://m.facebook.com/ChamfronStud/

Sadly it had to shut down after one of the owners died. I think the wife/ partner is a member here and occasionally posts.
 

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Can’t beat a Criollo - the one on the right of my pic is one!
Gorgeous! I met a criollo a while ago and then forgot the breed existed until someone posted on the Criollo lovers FB page and it reminded me! I'm hoping he will have all of the good criollo traits, we met mum who was a lovely chilled out TB as well. What discipline do you do with yours? my future plan is just a bit of everything, TREC while he's young (not yet obviously) and then sponsored rides and beach holidays, maybe a bit of drag hunting when he's older?

I would 100% chuck him out in your friend's field over the winter months.
Thank you, now i'm undecided wether to chuck him there and leave him there, or bring him back to my current yard each summer for a bit more handling. Ahh decisions decisions haha

I don’t know if you already know but Arrayan used to belong to the Chamfron stud they have a FB page. I followed it as it had some fantastic photos of the horses and wildlife in the area.

https://m.facebook.com/ChamfronStud/

Sadly it had to shut down after one of the owners died. I think the wife/ partner is a member here and occasionally posts.
I emailed Chamfron Stud when I decided to look for a criollo and they mentioned his story and hers, very sad but he looks a fantastic horse. The breeders Falco is from had him cover the majority of their mares while he was still up for stud (I dont think he is anymore). It meant I could meet his offspring of various ages and they all seem gorgeous!
 

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A yard-mate of mine bought a TB X Criollo weanling by that stallion about five years ago. He looked just like your colt when he came to the yard -- red roan and same face -- and now he's a stunning five-year old.
 

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A yard-mate of mine bought a TB X Criollo weanling by that stallion about five years ago. He looked just like your colt when he came to the yard -- red roan and same face -- and now he's a stunning five-year old.
Ohh! I'd love to see pictures if you have any you can share!

May the 4th (Collection day) seems so far away now!
 

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I have always fancied a criollo and your new one looks lovely. My first appaloosa stallion was by a stallion bred in the Argentine and quite similar to the criollo. Very tough and a lovely temperament.
 

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I have always fancied a criollo and your new one looks lovely. My first appaloosa stallion was by a stallion bred in the Argentine and quite similar to the criollo. Very tough and a lovely temperament.
The breeder is actually trying to specialise in breeding Appys, they had a gorgeous (and massive!) 2 year old spotty, they have a mare due to foal a spotty (fingers crossed). I think they are trying to cross with TBs to make awesome spotty sports horses. I've said spotty too many times.
 

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I emailed Chamfron Stud when I decided to look for a criollo and they mentioned his story and hers, very sad but he looks a fantastic horse. The breeders Falco is from had him cover the majority of their mares while he was still up for stud (I dont think he is anymore). It meant I could meet his offspring of various ages and they all seem gorgeous!
nice youngster but then he is bound to be. :D

Arrayan says "Hi" and "waves"

Arrayan is my riding horse. (and no longer up for stud).


The link below shows Arrayan when he was at the Chamfron stud. He is the red roan.
http://www.chamfronstud.com/stallion-gallery.html
 

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The horse is called Mojito. Beautiful horse, and he has a lovely temperament.

I should have said ex-yard-mate. Both she and I left the old yard, and now we're at different ones.
 

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Ooh, he looks lovely, congratulations! I'd keep him out if possible. Saying that I've got a just over 18 month old, I had him loose in my yard with stable access at night, then fields started coming good so I let both mine wander in and out as they pleased at night which they both liked. Unfortunately now with storm after storm I'm having to keep him in 'properly' overnight. The fields need a bit of help and the storm sent the rain straight through his door and soaked his bed :rolleyes: Was just drying up nicely and thinking another couple of weeks and they can stay out again then along comes the last downpour and I have ponds again.
 

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nice youngster but then he is bound to be. :D

Arrayan says "Hi" and "waves"

Arrayan is my riding horse. (and no longer up for stud).


The link below shows Arrayan when he was at the Chamfron stud. He is the red roan.
http://www.chamfronstud.com/stallion-gallery.html

Ah such a small world I'm so pleased he is a popular stallion! Is he based in Wales at the moment then?
 

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I've just got an 18 month old. Hes at the livery yard with me, but only because hes out with 2 native youngsters and an older gelding, so a really good mix for a young highland. We usually have unlimted turnout but with the weather this year its meant hes been in over night a lot. Its not ideal but its been extraordinary weather wise so I've just accepted it. If it looks like going this way again next winter, I will pack him off to youngstock livery and have him back in the spring, and repeat until hes rising 5 and in reasonable work.
 

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Ah such a small world I'm so pleased he is a popular stallion! Is he based in Wales at the moment then?
he is in Devon.
I cannot answer your original post as everyone has their own ideas on keeping youngsters. When Ombu came at 7 months it was the end of Dec. and the weather was horrendous for weeks after with continual rain. Our fields were flooded, horses in or yarded for the next 2 months.. He just had to fit in. Arrayans kids are very adaptable. Ombu was happy to be friends with anyone and coped with whatever he was given. In the summer he went out 24/7 with what was to be his new fieldmate (12yo) and he has lived with him ever since. In at night in winter and out 24/7 in summer except when it is hot and flies and then he comes in. The biggest problem with them is weight. They are great when ridden but when babies they are good at piling it on.
I did loads with Ombu as a baby. They love to learn. I was walking Ombu out in hand, going around large machinery and everything else before he was a year old.. He learnt to cope with anything. I think as a breed they benefit from early learning. Ombu is 5 in May and we are just (well weather permitting which it isn't ATM) starting to ride him properly. We did tiny bits riding as a 4yo so be learnt the basics. As a 5yo he is now a very different horse so for him waiting for him to grow up has been well worthwhile.
Don't overthink it, just see how Falco gets on and fits in.

I didn't vet Ombu. Someone more sensible would probably have vetted but I didn't see him before I bought him.
 

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he is in Devon.
I cannot answer your original post as everyone has their own ideas on keeping youngsters. When Ombu came at 7 months it was the end of Dec. and the weather was horrendous for weeks after with continual rain. Our fields were flooded, horses in or yarded for the next 2 months.. He just had to fit in. Arrayans kids are very adaptable. Ombu was happy to be friends with anyone and coped with whatever he was given. In the summer he went out 24/7 with what was to be his new fieldmate (12yo) and he has lived with him ever since. In at night in winter and out 24/7 in summer except when it is hot and flies and then he comes in. The biggest problem with them is weight. They are great when ridden but when babies they are good at piling it on.
I did loads with Ombu as a baby. They love to learn. I was walking Ombu out in hand, going around large machinery and everything else before he was a year old.. He learnt to cope with anything. I think as a breed they benefit from early learning. Ombu is 5 in May and we are just (well weather permitting which it isn't ATM) starting to ride him properly. We did tiny bits riding as a 4yo so be learnt the basics. As a 5yo he is now a very different horse so for him waiting for him to grow up has been well worthwhile.
Don't overthink it, just see how Falco gets on and fits in.

I didn't vet Ombu. Someone more sensible would probably have vetted but I didn't see him before I bought him.
Thanks Paddy,

It sounds as though I couldn't have bought anything more perfect! I like to go on "horse holidays" and I think it would be really beneficial getting him used to going out and about and just generally having fun - I don't really do anything too seriously. My current horse should be perfect for riding and leading and if they tend benefit from early learning I think this could be a really important summer, maybe we can get some TREC in there somewhere. I will just see how we get on going in to winter - by then I may have decided to move both horses anyway!

Seeing all of these other Arrayan stories is so lovely

RE vetting, although i'm already 100% having him, I have asked for a 2 stage vetting just to know if there's anything I should be aware of early on.
 

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Did you know Mojito?

I met his breeders once -- they were passing through after the Royal Highland Show or something like that, and stopped by our yard to see how their 'kid' was doing, as the yard was only five minutes off the M74. I was just a random livery but ended up chatting with them for a while. They were such careful and conscientious breeders who loved their horses. A terrible shame indeed that he died and the stud closed down. I'm happy to hear Arrayan is still out and about, though.
 

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nice youngster but then he is bound to be. :D

Arrayan says "Hi" and "waves"

Arrayan is my riding horse. (and no longer up for stud).


The link below shows Arrayan when he was at the Chamfron stud. He is the red roan.
http://www.chamfronstud.com/stallion-gallery.html
Wow you’re very lucky he’s a stunning horse. I was very tempted by his offspring but worried that I wouldn’t do a youngster justice.
 

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Thanks Paddy,

It sounds as though I couldn't have bought anything more perfect! I like to go on "horse holidays" and I think it would be really beneficial getting him used to going out and about and just generally having fun - I don't really do anything too seriously. My current horse should be perfect for riding and leading and if they tend benefit from early learning I think this could be a really important summer, maybe we can get some TREC in there somewhere. I will just see how we get on going in to winter - by then I may have decided to move both horses anyway!

Seeing all of these other Arrayan stories is so lovely

RE vetting, although i'm already 100% having him, I have asked for a 2 stage vetting just to know if there's anything I should be aware of early on.
both Arrayan and Oombu are very "dog like. Very much wanting to join in with people type horses. I am sure you will have some great times with your lad.


Very wise to get a vetting.

Presumably you have read Laura's blog? If not go back to 2008 when it started and you will see when Arrayan arrived.

(It will give you something to do when you are "self isolated" minus the loo roll and hand sanitiser!! )
 

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Did you know Mojito?

I met his breeders once -- they were passing through after the Royal Highland Show or something like that, and stopped by our yard to see how their 'kid' was doing, as the yard was only five minutes off the M74. I was just a random livery but ended up chatting with them for a while. They were such careful and conscientious breeders who loved their horses. A terrible shame indeed that he died and the stud closed down. I'm happy to hear Arrayan is still out and about, though.
not personally but I have followed his progress over the years as I have with many of them. They were very good breeders and they bred useful sane and sensible horses. It was unbelievable how someone so young and talented could have died in that way.
 

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I bought a 4 month old (now rising 4) and have loved every minute of it and have such a strong bond with her - so far it’s all been magical.

The best piece of advice I had was to make sure she is kept with other horses so she can grow up as a horse and understand her place in life. I am guessing as long as the horse has constant access to other horses and can form bonds she will be ok.
 

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I had my yearling stage 2 vetted. The first year he lived out completely including winter, this year it’s been so awful he has been coming in at night but still out for 10 hours a day. It’s worked fine. It would be nice to have the option of somewhere to chuck it for the winter tho
 
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