Forget the toilet roll and hand sanitiser, I just panic bought a horse!

palo1

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I'd been tentatively looking for a nice ready to back 4 or 5 year old, so the obvious choice was to put a deposit down on this 9 month old chap.

Meet Peregrina Chingolo (Falco for short), he is a Criollo X TB by Arrayan Numa and I can't wait to bring him home after he has been geldded (Probably about May will be collection day!)

Naturally, i'm full on questions already with him being my first youngster -

1. What level of vetting does a yearling require? I was planning to just ask vet to check eyes & heart before commencing with the castration, which I thought was essentially all a 2 stage vetting did - would a 2 stage vetting do anything more? (obviously I would pay for the extra checks)

2. When i pick him up, my yard will be on 24/7 turnout - perfect. However from October, we usually have to bring in at night - would bringing a youngster in at night for 6 months of the year be detrimental to their growth? (He would be in from 7pm - 7:30am) I was considering sending him to a friends 24/7 turnout over the winter months, but then worried that moving him from herd to herd might be more stressful then just coming in at night with my other horse and being stabled next to him (They can groom eachother over the stable wall)

Are there any studies (and links to them) that cover horse health & strength comparing youngsters who are in at night, and youngsters who are out all the time? I can be flexible with it, i'm just not sure if i'm already over thinking it and should just see how he gets on nearer the time! To be honest, with my current horse already having arthirtus it might be worth considering moving them both to 24/7 turnout...

I'm looking forward to learning a whole new side of horsemanship with this one, and my current horse Rocky will hopefully teach him how to be a complete dude!
Congratulations - how lovely to have a youngster by Arrayan! :) It will be interesting to hear updates. I was very tempted a few years ago to buy a yearling by him. :)

I am sure he will cope with the set-up and in many countries youngsters are housed indoors all winter. I am not suggesting that would be best and they are usually in groups so can have that extra socialisation input but I am sure you can make it work. I had to read this post too as I loved the title...!
 

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nice youngster but then he is bound to be. :D

Arrayan says "Hi" and "waves"

Arrayan is my riding horse. (and no longer up for stud).


The link below shows Arrayan when he was at the Chamfron stud. He is the red roan.
http://www.chamfronstud.com/stallion-gallery.html
So glad to hear Arrayan has a good home after such sad times for the Chamfron Stud. :( I know it is a little while now but it is good to hear this.
 

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I had my yearling stage 2 vetted. The first year he lived out completely including winter, this year itโ€™s been so awful he has been coming in at night but still out for 10 hours a day. Itโ€™s worked fine. It would be nice to have the option of somewhere to chuck it for the winter tho
That's good to know that some people do keep the "in at night" routine and don't have a problem with it. I guess I will see how we go and then it will also depend on what my farm owner would require for the months one of the horses isn't there - normally I'd just expect to keep paying the same rent to hold the stable, but I know he sometimes just requires a smaller "holding deposit" instead as the stable yard isn't really a money maker anyway for him. If it's just a deposit then absolutely I can chuck him somewhere 24/7 and get out of mucking out 2 over winter!
 

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Congratulations - how lovely to have a youngster by Arrayan! :) It will be interesting to hear updates. I was very tempted a few years ago to buy a yearling by him. :)

I am sure he will cope with the set-up and in many countries youngsters are housed indoors all winter. I am not suggesting that would be best and they are usually in groups so can have that extra socialisation input but I am sure you can make it work. I had to read this post too as I loved the title...!
Just stocking up on essentials! My shopping list always includes loo roll, pasta and ponies
 

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Just stocking up on essentials! My shopping list always includes loo roll, pasta and ponies
Well quite so!! I tend to add whisky or wine or both. Last year, due to a change in personal circumstances (not sad ones :) ) I felt the need to 'future proof' my life as it is liable to considerable change in the next year or so. That 'future proofing' was essentially accomplished by acquring an 8 week old puppy and an unbroken Welsh cob. So far the plan has worked a charm!! :) :) So lovely that Arrayan's progeny are still popular and will have good homes. Thumbs up for all things Criollo :)
 

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Congratulations on your new horse! Definitely an essential purchase ๐Ÿ˜

That I'm aware of there arent any studies comparing youngsters out 24/7 vs in at night. If anyone finds any I'd be interested in reading them. As far as I'm aware the biggest study was on either yearling or 2yr old TBs who got turnout on varied terrain. Paraphrasing massively but the results were along the lines that horses needed "stress" to develop muscularly and skeletally (sp?๐Ÿ˜ฌ๐Ÿ˜ณ). Stress was being able to move about freely. These horses were fitter/stronger/sounder than stabled horses (& possibly also horses turned out on perfect small flat paddocks but I could be mixing up reports).

Out 24/7 on varied terrain of rough grazing that is well draining and sheltered is the dream but it's not that readily available in my experience. I think as much turnout as practicably possible in a stable herd offsets stabling at night as sometimes its necessary.

When I got my youngster the yard I was on insisted on stabling at night year round. While not my ideal it worked well for me.as said youngster arrived a malnourished bag of bones so staying in to sleep and eat hay helped along with lots of Dr. Green

So happy to find out that Arrayan is an HHO horse. Can't believe that I'm only just realising this. Wow what a small world.

Absolutely heartbreaking what happened. I never met Mr Chamfron but have been in touch with L via social media and email at various times over the years. We never managed to coordinate a meet up but "refound" each other on instagram of all places. Such a small world indeed
 

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I never realised that everyone would know of him :D:D
Did you have a Chamfron?
No, I initially found them via western stuff as they had QH mares. I cant remember how I ended up in touch with L. There used to be an old time western riding forum in the days of dial up and I'm wondering if that's how ๐Ÿค” I honestly cant remember but we were in touch back and forward about various things.

I did love all their stock and how they were kept, handled and backed. L did say where all of their horses had gone to but I didnt even think of Arrayan ending up with an HHOer. It would be so nice if you posted pictures of him <hint hint> ๐Ÿ˜‰
 

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Ideally I would teach him what stables are just in case of an accident over the summer but send him away for 24/7 turnout for the winter.
not just for this youngster but for any please stable them as part of their training and make sure they know what it is all about. One of mine came at 4, had never been stabled. At 15 he is still unhappy being shut in a stable. When he had to spend a week in horse hospital he was pretty distressed with 24/7 stables. IMHO it should be part of a young horse's education learning to be left in.
 

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To teach a horse to be happy stabled when young is a gift you give them that lasts their whole lives .
I simply would never breed from a mare that was not happy in the stable if the mares good the foal has a head start .
During their first summer my foals stood in with their mums part of each day out of the sun and flys and it restricted movement a bit which is quite important with mums with lots of milk and fast growing babies but importantly it teaches them that stables are part of life that humans and handling are part of life and that shelter and food is in stables .
if they learn about them that young you should not have an issue.
I liked to travel the yearlings a few times not far just say three miles round the block just so that no big thing .
I also never did stable based weaning thats when the stress start for many .
 

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The Chamfron youngster that I was interested in was Inca - I wonder if any of you know where she is now?! :) I know the stud worked really hard to make sure all of them went to the right sort of homes for each one of them so wishing her the best of luck wherever she is :) I think she would be 3 now.
 

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The Chamfron youngster that I was interested in was Inca - I wonder if any of you know where she is now?! :) I know the stud worked really hard to make sure all of them went to the right sort of homes for each one of them so wishing her the best of luck wherever she is :) I think she would be 3 now.
Chamfron Stud facebook page, Instagram and blog are still active. If there's no mention of Inca on there (lots of horses in their new homes etc) then I'm sure if you dropped L a message she'd get back to you.
 

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I hope she is having a lovely life; such brilliant horses and bred and produced so nicely. Thinking of Laura now though I have not met her!!
 

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Gorgeous! I met a criollo a while ago and then forgot the breed existed until someone posted on the Criollo lovers FB page and it reminded me! I'm hoping he will have all of the good criollo traits, we met mum who was a lovely chilled out TB as well. What discipline do you do with yours? my future plan is just a bit of everything, TREC while he's young (not yet obviously) and then sponsored rides and beach holidays, maybe a bit of drag hunting when he's older?


Mine is 20 now but he has been a great all rounder. TREC though was his speciality and with my daughter, they won many competitions and were on the GB junior team. He also was good at jumping, again winning at SJ and HT. Not so hot on dressage though (but neither are we!). Hunted as well a few times.

When I bought him from a Criollo dealer (he had been imported 6 months previously from South America), she had some spotty ones but was asking ยฃ1000 more for them!

The spotty in my pic is a NF x appy.
 

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Lightning quick message to say hello! Good choice OP! Vetting, I have never bothered but yes heart and eyes while being gelded is a sensible option, generally the Arrayan youngsters are utterly robust and as far as I remember nothing ever failed the vet. In or out, they will be fine, as mentioned before they are intelligent (very) and good doers, you learn very quickly not to leave them in without the kick bolt on and to be honest i've had one pick up the broom and knock that off too to go for a wander (yes, they use tools... they will take over the world!) - they are of course LOADS OF FUN! :)

All the gang are well, Inca will be four this year as she was one of the last crop. She is in a polo home with Colibri.

Mojito is awesome, he has always been a favourite. His new yard is closer to me now so I will pop up and see him this summer.

As an aside if I get attacked by Coronavirus can someone send supplies, about to move house again and have helpfully run EVERYTHING down (except gin, not that daft).
 

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Lightning quick message to say hello! Good choice OP! Vetting, I have never bothered but yes heart and eyes while being gelded is a sensible option, generally the Arrayan youngsters are utterly robust and as far as I remember nothing ever failed the vet. In or out, they will be fine, as mentioned before they are intelligent (very) and good doers, you learn very quickly not to leave them in without the kick bolt on and to be honest i've had one pick up the broom and knock that off too to go for a wander (yes, they use tools... they will take over the world!) - they are of course LOADS OF FUN! :)

All the gang are well, Inca will be four this year as she was one of the last crop. She is in a polo home with Colibri.

Mojito is awesome, he has always been a favourite. His new yard is closer to me now so I will pop up and see him this summer.

As an aside if I get attacked by Coronavirus can someone send supplies, about to move house again and have helpfully run EVERYTHING down (except gin, not that daft).

May can't come quick enough now! I didn't realise I'd picked such a good egg, I hope I can do him justice and not be the first person to ruin an Arrayan baby..
I'm finally at the point where my current horse can be ridden for 20 minutes (rehab) so i'm looking forward to some riding & leading!
 

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Lightning quick message to say hello! Good choice OP! Vetting, I have never bothered but yes heart and eyes while being gelded is a sensible option, generally the Arrayan youngsters are utterly robust and as far as I remember nothing ever failed the vet. In or out, they will be fine, as mentioned before they are intelligent (very) and good doers, you learn very quickly not to leave them in without the kick bolt on and to be honest i've had one pick up the broom and knock that off too to go for a wander (yes, they use tools... they will take over the world!) - they are of course LOADS OF FUN! :)

All the gang are well, Inca will be four this year as she was one of the last crop. She is in a polo home with Colibri.

Mojito is awesome, he has always been a favourite. His new yard is closer to me now so I will pop up and see him this summer.

As an aside if I get attacked by Coronavirus can someone send supplies, about to move house again and have helpfully run EVERYTHING down (except gin, not that daft).

Lovely to hear this update! Good luck with the house move and I am sure supplies will be sent as necessary :)
 

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Hi All,

Just a quick update as Falco arrived today - he has settled very quickly in his stable and him and Rocky already seem to be getting on well.

Video link below of him coming off the lorry, so you can see how many different colours he is!

I'm keeping him and Rocky in tonight just so they can get to know eachother, and then will turn them out together tomorrow morning. I feel sick with excitement and nerves, he is such a sweet little thing at the moment.
His eyes are a little red and gunky after travelling, so I will clean these and keep a close eye on it just in case.
 

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that reminds me of when Chamfron Ombu arrived. You must be so excited. He is adorable and Rocky has such a kind eye. You are sooooo lucky. Arrayan has a temperament to die for. He is just the kindest, sweetest boy and Falco will be as well.

Ombu had all those colours but now you can barely tell him and Arrayan apart.


There are a few pics of Chingolo ie Falco on the Peregrina stud FB page if anyone is interested. There are 3 of him lying down on his side in the field and another of him at a few days old.

don't forget the updates :D
 
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