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Having seen the news this week that fracking is to be allowed, just wondering if this will have any affect on the local horses.

Does anyone know?

I do not live in the areas affected, just curious.
 
mtj said:
Having seen the news this week that fracking is to be allowed, just wondering if this will have any affect on the local horses.

Does anyone know?

I do not live in the areas affected, just curious.
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Yes it will if the companys find gas !!!
horse owners will have more money to spend once we arnt paying over the odds to russians for gas and hopefully the rich people wont get a fortune anymore for having a windmill farm on there land so electricity bills as well as gas will be cheaper or not go up as much. Seriouly its worked in the states and a lot has been learnt so hopfully we will reap the benifits of cheaper energy and the economic growth we desperately need to ballance the economy...
 
I am confused by the whole thing. Yesterday there was an "expert" on Sky News saying people won't even be aware of it, yet how come then there were earthquakes last year which were definitely felt. I think if they start up again and there are more earthquakes they will have to stop. Horses are very sensitive to earth movement so there has to be a possibility of them being disturbed - unless you believe said expert of course!
 
I think there is some bad press about fracking (gas coming out of taps and setting on fire) but I don't know enough to comment on how often that happens etc.

I can only think its a good thing tbh, I'm a bit concerned about how they do it though, they pump concrete in to displace the gas - I always thought it was water!

Apparently the earthquakes are due to the earth settling out, and becoming more stable due to the pumping in of the concrete stabilising the shale. :)
 
HBM1 said:
I am confused by the whole thing. Yesterday there was an "expert" on Sky News saying people won't even be aware of it, yet how come then there were earthquakes last year which were definitely felt. I think if they start up again and there are more earthquakes they will have to stop. Horses are very sensitive to earth movement so there has to be a possibility of them being disturbed - unless you believe said expert of course!
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The UK has always suffered minor earth tremours so maybe most horses will hardly notice even if the process causes the odd one it sounds like it wont do much and they seem to be making the contrators monitor and report any sismic activity..
 
The only way to find answers to this is to look at the effects it's had on horses in the US, so upon research I came across horse deaths, blindness quite common, hair loss, birth defects (goat gave birth to just a head?!...very scary) and horses refusing to drink water. These are mostly in cases where gas pipes have leaked which most do within 10 years as the concrete they fill the wells in with breaks and the toxic chemicals seep into to water table...and into your water troughs and taps. So cheaper gas? Not sure it will be any cheaper lets see. More money for horse owners?...is that excluding vets bills for these illnesses possibly caused by fracking? There are also 'renewable energies' that wouldn't in any way harm your horses but the government don't seem too keen to investigate those. Let's wait and see, I'm in shale free Cornwall but still concerned for other horse owners across the rest of the country. Here is one report solely from Pennsylvania on fracking issues with humans and livestock.
http://pennsylvaniaallianceforcleanwaterandair.wordpress.com/the-list/
 
If those who like the idea of fracking, move their horses and homes nearby, everyone will be happy. They secretly did some exploratory test drilling a mile from my yard which was kept very quiet by the council. I only knew because a local farmer was aware of it.
I do not want toxic chemicals pumped into the earth and the fluid left in open pits to evaporate into the environment, or leeched into the water supply. I do not want my horses grazing on polluted ground or refusing to drink the water. I do not want to eat the meat or the produce grown in fracking areas.

We live on a tiny, densely populated island. There is no room for polluting our environment or having tremors affecting buildings.

Give me the beauty of beautiful turbines anyday.
 
I think one of the biggest worries is they can frack under your house without your permission, its ironic that a french country are doing the fracking and yet it is banned in France. As you can see Im dead against fracking, have read lots about it and once those chemicals get into the water we are screwed. Lots of info from US saying about spikes of deformed or stillborn babies in the fracking areas.
 
I am dead against it too. Too much research has been done to brush these incidences off as paranoia. We need a big protest or something. Not that our government has a history of listening when people protest... It just seems such a shame to ****** up such a beautiful country so much, in such an irreversible fashion...
 
Does anyone know if there are any regulations if you have ground water as your only water source? I have a bore hole for water and am worried about water contamination.
 
As to the mini quakes I doubt the horses will worry ,mine where fine when the quarry next to their field collapsed taking a chunk of the field with it the noise was incredible and I felt the ground move from outside the house 400 metres away.
As for fracking it's coming I fear we have no choice if we keep increasing the population in a country short of resources .
 
Apparently there's not much gas in the uk, it's oil they're after. There's masses of it under Southern England , but there are also huge aquifers that supply a great deal of our water. I want to know where our water is going to come from when they've polluted the aquifer with their chemicals.are we going to end up importing water at great expense?
 
There is a lot more info online and it all suggests it's not looking good for animals. The main problem being that they sit the used chemical water in pools to evaporate..in this country..evaporation is out of the question, were on constant flood alert at the moment! so where will the chemicals go? On to pasture and crops? Seems so stupid to sell the fracking idea as a way for us to have an independent energy supply when we may need to become dependent on food from elsewhere? I've just joined the #talkfracking debate to learn more. From what I've read so far...give me wind turbines any day..this does not look good for horse owners 😳
 
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Fides said:
Does anyone know if there are any regulations if you have ground water as your only water source? I have a bore hole for water and am worried about water contamination.
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We have NO RIGHTS whatsoever regarding fracking on our land, see the Queens speech yesterday. All we can do is protest it looks like. Strange that a horse lover such as the Queen would put this bill forward? France who ironically created the technology to frack have banned it for environmental reasons..maybe I'll move there!
 
Django Django said:
We have NO RIGHTS whatsoever regarding fracking on our land, see the Queens speech yesterday. All we can do is protest it looks like. Strange that a horse lover such as the Queen would put this bill forward? France who ironically created the technology to frack have banned it for environmental reasons..maybe I'll move there!
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The Queen is told what to say, she has no control over the content . The Queen's Speech is an excercise in the subjugation of the monarchy.
 
Django Django said:
We have NO RIGHTS whatsoever regarding fracking on our land, see the Queens speech yesterday. All we can do is protest it looks like. Strange that a horse lover such as the Queen would put this bill forward? France who ironically created the technology to frack have banned it for environmental reasons..maybe I'll move there!
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Not quite true... this bill has to be voted for by MPs first, to pass as law. You can write to your MP to ask them to vote against it: https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/fracking-queen-s-speech-day
 
perfect11s said:
Yes it will if the companys find gas !!!
horse owners will have more money to spend once we arnt paying over the odds to russians for gas and hopefully the rich people wont get a fortune anymore for having a windmill farm on there land so electricity bills as well as gas will be cheaper or not go up as much. Seriouly its worked in the states and a lot has been learnt so hopfully we will reap the benifits of cheaper energy and the economic growth we desperately need to ballance the economy...
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Britain buy gas from Norway.
 
I think that the threats of fracking have been over reported really. People in the past had coalmines under their houses.

I would have thought that wave/tide power would have been exploited more here, and I am all for that, but fracking ? I don't believe all the negatives but I don't know all the facts. I seriously doubt that anyone really knows unless they are an industry expert. The uk is, like the majority of countries in the world, subject to siesmic events and reports of birth defects etc I cannot really see are all down to fracking, these things happen naturally as Mother Nature, like everything else, is not perfect.
 
hackneylass2 said:
I think that the threats of fracking have been over reported really. People in the past had coalmines under their houses.
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I had too, until they were filled in - for which I had to contribute £5000 towards the cost of the work.

I would have thought that wave/tide power would have been exploited more here, and I am all for that, but fracking ? I don't believe all the negatives but I don't know all the facts. I seriously doubt that anyone really knows unless they are an industry expert. The uk is, like the majority of countries in the world, subject to siesmic events and reports of birth defects etc I cannot really see are all down to fracking, these things happen naturally as Mother Nature, like everything else, is not perfect.
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Even if the fracking process caused no direct damage at all, the arguments for leaving that additional source of carbon in the ground are quite strong if our government is serious about climate change targets, which they may well not be (despite what they say and sign)!

http://www.monbiot.com/2013/03/14/frozen-assets/
 
perfect11s said:
Yes it will if the companys find gas !!!
horse owners will have more money to spend once we arnt paying over the odds to russians for gas and hopefully the rich people wont get a fortune anymore for having a windmill farm on there land so electricity bills as well as gas will be cheaper or not go up as much. Seriouly its worked in the states and a lot has been learnt so hopfully we will reap the benifits of cheaper energy and the economic growth we desperately need to ballance the economy...
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It hasn't worked in the States, it's a load of hype. The wells are not economically viable and they are finding that they dry up much quicker than they had expected and they have to drill again and again.
 
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Fracking is the process of drilling down into the earth before a high-pressure water mixture is directed at the rock to release the gas inside. Water, sand and chemicals are injected into the rock at high pressure which allows the gas to flow out to the head of the well.

so we are going to use excess water to remove the gas and then there is the idea of chemicals being pumped into the rock to release the gas, which potentially end up in the ground water supply.......lovely

how about more renewable energy, although i do believe a ukip candidate did ask the question what happens when renewable energy runs out, which is all in all a different argument :)
 
We used to mine coal out from deep underground. Fracking is just the modern equivalent. We need energy and this is one way of obtaining it.
 
Django Django said:
The only way to find answers to this is to look at the effects it's had on horses in the US, so upon research I came across horse deaths, blindness quite common, hair loss, birth defects (goat gave birth to just a head?!...very scary) and horses refusing to drink water. These are mostly in cases where gas pipes have leaked which most do within 10 years as the concrete they fill the wells in with breaks and the toxic chemicals seep into to water table...and into your water troughs and taps. So cheaper gas? Not sure it will be any cheaper lets see. More money for horse owners?...is that excluding vets bills for these illnesses possibly caused by fracking? There are also 'renewable energies' that wouldn't in any way harm your horses but the government don't seem too keen to investigate those. Let's wait and see, I'm in shale free Cornwall but still concerned for other horse owners across the rest of the country. Here is one report solely from Pennsylvania on fracking issues with humans and livestock.
http://pennsylvaniaallianceforcleanwaterandair.wordpress.com/the-list/
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Cornwall is hardly shale-free - its local name is Killas. But it probably doesn't include oil-shale and the intrusion of the granite batholiths would have cooked it, most likely.
 
Django Django said:
We have NO RIGHTS whatsoever regarding fracking on our land, see the Queens speech yesterday. All we can do is protest it looks like. Strange that a horse lover such as the Queen would put this bill forward? France who ironically created the technology to frack have banned it for environmental reasons..maybe I'll move there!
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We have no rights whatsoever about any mineral rights under our land. If they found coal under my house (very likely, I had to have coal surveys done when I was buying it) they would be within their rights to tunnel under me and haul it out. If you have been lucky enough to live in an area that has been untouched by industrialisation then you are probably rightly concerned, but half of the population has either mining, quarrying or pottery making on their doorstop and the world hasn't stopped spinning. I grew up in Cornwall with granite quarrying at one end, and tin/copper mining at the other end of the same parish. The scars are there for all to see but now nature has softened them and we regard them as wonderful local assets for walkers, nature lovers and horse riders. Now I live in the NW and until quite recently there were coal mines within two miles of my office on the edge of the centre of Manchester. There are lots of old small scale pits and workings around the area. At one point one of the major mines in Manchester was going to be extended until it caused subsidence in the housing estate directly above and the work had to cease. Go out to Buxton and half the hills have been quarried away and this is still ongoing. We live with the lorries trundling to and from the quarries on the local roads. Of course, without the quarrying there wouldn't be building materials or even decent road surfaces. It is all about the needs of the many. Today's standards are way higher and all worked ground has to be returned to how it was originally and industry pays a huge amount of money for planning and actioning remedial work.

Anyway, as regards fracking, don't hold your breath. It is years away assuming it gets the green light.
 
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