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Are they known for being bolshy and a bit stubborn?

I've been working with one for his owner for almost a year now. He has come a long way in that year as I had to almost completely restart him due to him having being schooled at a dressage yard in draw reins (aged 4!) poor boy. He was five when he came to me and very angry with life and not really enjoying his work. His main issue was going forward. I managed to sort this with lots of loose schooling, starting again with the schooling and introducing hacking - which was something he had never done before. He did have locking stifles which we had a specialist look at and his advice was to give him six months to strengthen them up through correct work before deciding whether he needed operating on. Six months later, the specialist was so pleased with his progress he signed him off and said to carry on as were. He also said if they occasionally locked in and out slightly not to worry as it is a known problem with the breed because of the upright conformation behind. This does happen occasioanally but doesn't seem to bother him.

A year down the line, he hacks alone and in company, knows basic school movements, basic lateral work and walk to canter, etc. He has worked over poles both on the lunge and with a rider and has popped over a few small fences again both on the lunge and with a rider. He has also taken part in a pleasure ride. Everything seemed to be going in the right direction until this past month.

I have moved my horses (plus the Friesian) to a new yard. It is a bigger yard but there aren't many horses there currently so we have new environment to work in, etc. His routine has remained exactly the same though. He has just started to become more argumentative to ride and seems to be testing the boundaries somewhat! He is now six so I'm wondering if it's a case of the teenage years. He has taken to doing a 180 spin if he sees something out hacking he doesn't like - regardless of whether he is alone or with another horse and then protesting when you try to turn him round and ride him forward by spinning around and rearing. He has also decided he doe not like water AT ALL and any kind of uneven ground and I had to get off and walk him up the bridleway the other day because he protested that strongly about going up there because it was a bit rutted and i was fighting a losing battle, even though his hacking buddy was leading the way. Today I took him in the school, walked him around but when i asked for trot his back came up and he set off across the school bucking. I ended up getting off and lungeing him before getting back on - he protested for another 15 mins if I tried to work him into a contact but finally gave up and then worked very well. He is very lazy though and you have to work VERY hard to get what you want. Horse is all up to date with saddle/physio/dentist checks etc.

Just wondering if this is a common friesian thing? Hoping he might grow out of it as at 17 hands it isn't particularly fun!
 
Oh yes, when mine was 6 she was a cow. I'd had since she was weaned so knew her rather well. She grew out of it but they are rather slow maturing.

Gloi I bought mine in Friesland so definitely not an export :) until of course I moved back to England when she was 2....

Not sure it's just a Friesian thing as my ID also had a teenage period!
 
That sounds very reminiscent of PSSM, and it's documented in Friesians. The stress of a move could have set it off.

If you take a look online and decide it sounds familiar, you can test it by whacking him onto 12,000iu of natural (has to be natural or twice as much synthetic) a day and seeing if the behaviour changes at all.

You can also get a £35 DNA test for type two, but he could still have type one.

It's quite likely to be the move, though. If it continues I'd be looking for ulcers.

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That sounds very reminiscent of PSSM, and it's documented in Friesians. The stress of a move could have set it off.

If you take a look online and decide it sounds familiar, you can test it by whacking him onto 12,000iu of natural (has to be natural or twice as much synthetic) a day and seeing if the behaviour changes at all.

You can also get a £35 DNA test for type two, but he could still have type one.

It's quite likely to be the move, though. If it continues I'd be looking for ulcers.

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Sorry 12000 of what?
 
What I did notice with my Friesian is he's been very slow to mature. I know a lot of horses are, but he really seems to have taken his time with it. He's 9 now, and seems to have turned into a nice 'person'.
 
What I did notice with my Friesian is he's been very slow to mature. I know a lot of horses are, but he really seems to have taken his time with it. He's 9 now, and seems to have turned into a nice 'person'.
I have a half Friesian who is very sweet but a little bit of a scaredy cat - is this typical?

A friends Freisian is prone to temper tantrums when hes unsure of something. He is getting better as he gets older, but he's a challenge and nothing seems to work when he gets one of his moods on. I was told that Freisians are either devils or angels and in my experience this is true. Mine is an absolute angel, impeccable manners on the ground and when ridden/driven and brave and calm. Shes 20 and I didn't know her when she was young, so she may have been awful, but I doubt it.
 
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I have nothing but nice things to say about the breed and would say bucking is unusual in my experience. I have ridden 6 friesians (4 of the 6 regularly) and have never ever had one buck or rear although they are all individuals.

I have found they can be a little spooky and are quite friendly which can lead to them being bolshy if boundaries aren't set but bucking and rearing isn't typical of the breed.

I began riding a friends friesian when she was a 6 year old and she was quite spooky and would spin as a youngster but if something caught her eye but she matured in to the most wonderful horse. She is now 18 and has only ever had one rider fall from her when she spooked and the novice rider lost her balance in woodland. The friesian stallion I share currently is wonderful and even when we hack past loose horses he can prance and show off but has shown no inclination to go up or buck.

I think they are lovely horses but when they do play up there build can make them seem larger than they are so I can imagine at 17hh he is being quite imitatidating. I know you said all checks have been done but is there a possibility he may have ulcers?

My share horse had ulcers (unbeknown to me) and was very lazy in the school. I did a lot of work on transitions out hacking and rode him through it and then we found out he had ulcers. Friesians (again in my experience) are not the most forward of horses and can tire quickly which is why I find your horses behavior out of character for the breed as a whole.
 
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