Gah - friend ignoring advice.

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Just had a text from a close friend of a cute puppy that's she's just picked today. He looked very golden retriever esq so I text and asked if that's what he was.
Reply back was "We have just been to pick it and pay deposit. It's a goldendoodle, wasn't planning on getting one of these cross breed things but when we researched it was the perfect dog for us"
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I think I posted a thread on here previously about the same friend who had mentioned getting another cross breed puppy before http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=517529&highlight=Wigglypigs

I really don't want to get her back up and just be happy for her but I do want her to know what she's letting herself in for. I'm also really disappointed that she didn't drop me a text mentioning that they were going to look at puppies and I could have advised her what to look for and ask.
Gah - really feeling deflated :o
 
I'm sorry I don't know the full story but from this and previous thread, why does she need your approval? at the end of the day its her dog and from the sounds of it she is in perfect position to give the dog plenty of exercise and attention.

Lots of people are into these "doodle" type dogs, not my cup of tea but they must be popular for a reason!
 
Oh well let's hope they don't have health problems. They are the must have fashion I am afraid and people breeding these dogs know it. I think Retirevers are hip scored? Nothing more you can do but give advice when needed.

Not sure where they get golden doodle from? Because surely its a goldenpoo? Lol!
 
Wigglypigs said:
"We have just been to pick it and pay deposit. It's a goldendoodle, wasn't planning on getting one of these cross breed things but when we researched it was the perfect dog for us"
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There you have it - look on any reputable breed(er) site and you will see the cons as well as the pros of whatever breed it is.
eg.http://www.glenofimaalterrier.uk.com/glenfacts.html
or, http://www.weimaranerclubofgreatbritain.org.uk/wcrescue/rescue-about.shtml
or http://www.thegoldenretrieverclub.co.uk/

The producers of these crosses do it to sell so they never put forward any negatives.
Poodles and Goldies share some health problems. Parents Hips elbows & eyes should have been tested.
 
LittleLex said:
I'm sorry I don't know the full story but from this and previous thread, why does she need your approval? at the end of the day its her dog and from the sounds of it she is in perfect position to give the dog plenty of exercise and attention.

Lots of people are into these "doodle" type dogs, not my cup of tea but they must be popular for a reason!
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This. She said she's done her research, and I'm sure if she wants your advice she will ask for it. Why should she get your approval before buying a dog?

I'd bite your tongue on this one, if you say anything negative or critical she will probably (quite rightly) tell you to mind your own business.
 
@ LittleLex and xspiralx I am NOT trying to tell her what to do but neither have ever owned a dog before and I worried that they will have fallen foul to a BSB and paid over the odds for an unhealth tested puppy.

Thanks s4sugar, I'll find out where the puppy has come from. I know that dad was a golden retriever and mum was a goldendoodle. Hopefully they have bought a healthy cross breed puppy :)

I have had a huge learning curve over the last few years with my own dogs and admit to making a poor decision in breeding my own bitch a few years ago. I am far from perfect and I'm just looking to give a good friend sensible advice. She is the type to be able to take it as she has strong views on other subjects and wouldn't be afraid to let them be known.
 
Why on earth would she ask you for your approval? As you say you made mistakes..If she paid over the oddss that's her problem. From what I understand you have not been asked for advice so butt out in all honesty.
 
I've had many a mongrel over the years that hasn't had health tests, and they've been fine.

More fool them for paying for a silly named mongrel.

I would just let them get on with it now, its done. Looking up the breeding and "advising them" would come across as interfering in a big way.
 
Honey08 I certainly won't be sticking my nose in. They collect the pup in 2 weeks and I'm sure they will be fine. Im just sad that the have spent a huge amount of money (£700) on a puppy believing that it A-won't cast and B-will be healthier etc. having seen the advert for the pups I'm pretty certain they could have chosen a better breeder however the pup will want for nothing and I'm sure they will do their best by it.
 
Wigglypigs said:
Honey08 I certainly won't be sticking my nose in. They collect the pup in 2 weeks and I'm sure they will be fine. Im just sad that the have spent a huge amount of money (£700) on a puppy believing that it A-won't cast and B-will be healthier etc. having seen the advert for the pups I'm pretty certain they could have chosen a better breeder however the pup will want for nothing and I'm sure they will do their best by it.
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Poodles are over £1,000 now, seen some terrible cross breeds I.e any example of a breed put to a poodle? Why? Cause they saw it on Top Gear. Monkey see monkey do.
 
SusieT said:
Why on earth would she ask you for your approval? As you say you made mistakes..If she paid over the oddss that's her problem. From what I understand you have not been asked for advice so butt out in all honesty.
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This would be quite a good thnig to remember before you post on any topic Susie t
 
I don't think there is much you can do regarding the choice of puppy but to be enthusiastic about it as a puppy is always good fun and it looks like she has already gotten one. The main thing now is to help her find a good trainer and understand the importance of early socialisation. Whatever the puppy's background it will need quite a bit of work to turn it into a happy, well behaved dog and it's probably best not to fall out with your friend over the breed so that you can help her with training and socialising advice.
 
I often get asked for my advice/opionion on whether someone should breed their dog (whether to a purebred or to get a designer cross). I give my opinion, my advice and if they take it fine, if they don't - I bite my tongue. At the end of the day, even though they have ASKED it's still not really any of my business. If it all goes tits up, I don't feel I should say "I told you so".

I must admit to being a bit biased against the doodle fashion as it were. However, I have been turned round to the "Australian" variety of Labradoodle, which IMO have some substance toward a breed standard (they are consistent in size, confo, coat type, temperament). I still don't really see the point of breeding anything and everything to a poodle just to see what you get, but I groom three or four of these Aussie labradoodles and I really like each one for their own merits.

Who knows, you may end up really liking this new pup - and hopefully it'll have a home for life. :)
 
Thanks everyone. Sadly I think my fears about this perhaps not being the ideal breeder have been confirmed today. The bitch and the pups have been raised on bakers so my poor friend had gotten some supplies in. Rightly or wrongly I couldn't hold back on this one and advised her to research this food before feeding and also giving her my opinion on it (utter crap). Also the pup will be collected 2 weeks after its ready due to holidays so my friend had asked if the puppy could have its first vacs so that he would be ready for the second once she arrived home. She was happy to be extra for this but was refused point blank by the breeder claiming that the new vets could not carry on the course. Fortunately friend called her prospective vet who rubbished this and encouraged her to recontact breeder and explain that they would be happy to continue the course.

Puppy us most certainly going to be well looked afte, I'm just not certain he will have had the best start....
 
I agree with SusieT on this.
Mind you, I am one of those mad folk that believe all breeds have to start somewhere...JRT was bred from the Fox Terrier, Smooth/Rough Coated Collies (Lassie types) were bred in the 19th century by crossing Border Collies to Russian Wolfhounds, etc.
I quite like the various gun dog crosses that have sprung up. I know of a lot that are excellent family pets, and very pretty too. Smart as well.

Personally, I own one mutt, one collie cross Kelpie, and one pedigee Labrador. The Labrador is an imbecile and only cares about food. The mutt is iffy with strange dogs due to having been attacked as a pup, but otherwise very friendly and loyal. Can't have artificial ingredients, as they make her loopy though.
The collie/Kelpie is absolutely 100% on all things...dogs, children, traffic, strangers, livestock, horses, cats, etc. Also he knows if I am about to have a seizure and gently pushes me to the nearest safe area.

I would always go for a cross/hybrid, from working stock.
 
Arizahn said:
I agree with SusieT on this.
Mind you, I am one of those mad folk that believe all breeds have to start somewhere...JRT was bred from the Fox Terrier, Smooth/Rough Coated Collies (Lassie types) were bred in the 19th century by crossing Border Collies to Russian Wolfhounds, etc.
I quite like the various gun dog crosses that have sprung up. I know of a lot that are excellent family pets, and very pretty too. Smart as well.

Personally, I own one mutt, one collie cross Kelpie, and one pedigee Labrador. The Labrador is an imbecile and only cares about food. The mutt is iffy with strange dogs due to having been attacked as a pup, but otherwise very friendly and loyal. Can't have artificial ingredients, as they make her loopy though.
The collie/Kelpie is absolutely 100% on all things...dogs, children, traffic, strangers, livestock, horses, cats, etc. Also he knows if I am about to have a seizure and gently pushes me to the nearest safe area.

I would always go for a cross/hybrid, from working stock.
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Russian Wolfhounds, otherwise known as Borzoi, nice to see someone using their correct breed titie

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