Getting a flirty mare in foal!

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Anyone got any experience with getting the most hormonal mare on the planet in foal?
Our (rising 13 this year) mare had always been on regumate or had a marble while we were competing her as she was such a madam when in season - not just flirty but really nappy, sensitive to the leg and generally unpleasant to ride.
She has had her ovaries examined by two different vet practices over the past two years (latterly by a specialist stud vet) and given a clean bill of health.

She was covered naturally in 2011 and despite the fact that she had to have uterine washes to reduce excessive fluid production initially conceived on two follicles. When the smaller one was pinched out, the viable one went too.

The next two coverings, she came back in season close to or before the 15 day scan. The problem is that if you even lead her past a gelding she shows to him, and will also show to other mares.

We have a small paddock where we can put her and nothing will be led past her this year, but there will be horses in adjacent paddocks (not within touching distance). Is this likely to help or does anyone have any other suggestions?

We're planning to use the same stallion again - he is very fertile, and she is the first mare that he has failed to get in foal.
 
I don't know apart from perhaps don't breed?
The fact that she had to have regumate all her riding life to be compliant and then have a marble and when tried to get in foal she then failed would say to me that the mare is trying to say something.
 
Do you mean like how to make your horse a womb on legs AmyMay?
Gosh it is such a laugh this horseworld ain't it?
My mare was buggered up before I got her because people thought she should do a job after racing. That's right, she won races on the flat and jumps. Her breeding was not bad in her parentage and form lines.
So what did she breed out of the matings she had which included 3 dead foals.
Oh a horse that went on to win sellers and claimers and another which had a couple of runs under national hunt rules and never seen again.
I guess I am a little biased but I believe that unless the horse is a superstar or contains breeding lines of excellent stallions or mares that have since died then why breed?
I now have a mare that can be difficult to touch in places, I believe this is due to the messing around that she endured as a broodmare. Her trainer has never said anything about her being difficult when she was in training to race.
She also has a very odd cycle and during winter is often in season when other mares are not.
Her first year was the worse of the lot in being all over the place with her cycles and in season an awful lot.
Personally I think they should have given up after the second dead foal on the trot but they didn't.
She went on to have a third that also died.
Her teeth were very neglected according to my vet. She was also louse ridden and thin when she lost her post pregnancy belly. Yes she did come around but I believe she suffered.
She came to me direct from a stud, oh what the heck let's name it. It was Mickley Stud in Shropshire. The person who delivered her thought her marks on rump were from other horses. They were in fact welts self inflicted from having lice.
The stud must have known she had them and yet did nothing.
In all the time that she was popping out foals why was no one seeing to her teeth and overall health?
My vet Thomason and Walters, it was in fact Tom said he had never seen teeth as bad as they were in all his time as a vet. They took a long time that day to sort out. She now has regular checks on them and they have never got to that stage since.
So I guess I do have a strong and biased opinion of breeding based on my personal experience. Yes there are good breeders out there don't get me wrong. However I cannot understand why someone would want to breed from a mare that obviously has fertility or womb related problems? What if the mare has a filly, will it have the same demeanor ie needing a hormonal regulator for its seasons so it can be ridden/worked?
 
amymay said:
Pop this in Breeding. You should get a much better and more informed response.
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It was in response to your rather sarcastic post.
I think the OP's horse obviously has some fertility issues. Maybe it is due to being given regumate or having the marble fitted and not given enough time to self regulate her seasons? Or maybe it could be because she may not be a suitable candidate for breeding?
My reply to you was with regard to the fact that a lot of mares simply become wombs on legs.
Personally I get rather annoyed that it is viewed that it is perfectly acceptable for every mare that is no longer going to be ridden to put into foal especially when there are such high levels of over breeding in many areas.
Hence my question over whether this mare was an exceptionally good competition horse or had such formlines that needed to be ensured and carried on which would warrant her being bred from.
Maybe I am biased due to my own experience and reading post after post and story after story of 'worthless' or unwanted foals going for meat or being abandoned.
 
It was in response to your rather sarcastic post.
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Sorry, you've misunderstood it's tone.

I was suggesting posting about breeding in the Breeding area to elicit more responses (because that is where people who breed and have lots of knowledge and info to share post), not in response to your post which I did not read (but now have).
 
amymay said:
Sorry, you've misunderstood it's tone.

I was suggesting posting about breeding in the Breeding area to elicit more responses (because that is where people who breed and have lots of knowledge and info to share post), not in response to your post which I did not read (but now have).
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I guess we got cross wired then lol, sorry about that x
 
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