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I thought I'd share this as I've chipped in over the years to many threads on saddle woes - my horse and I are a tricky combination to fit, for a number of reasons. I have long thighs and he has a short back and fairly poor posture (which I'm working on, now I know what's going on), so most saddles tend to slide into the dip behind his shoulders and sit there. That drops me forwards (ouch) and can't be too comfortable for him either. That said, I've never been comfortable, on any horse, in conventional treed English saddles, but because it's always been that way I sort of thought maybe it was....normal?

Having spent the five years since buying this horse working through a number of saddles that I'd rather not disclose (incidentally, by far the least worst was a £100 Wintec Pro dressage) I came across Ghost when @sbloom started stocking them and talking about them. I stalked her and the brand for a while before deciding that the component based approach seemed really clever, and (critically) I could actually afford a new one, made to my requirements, because they're not that expensive. We saw Steph for a fitting earlier this year and after a few weeks of chewing it over I ordered one. We mostly do lots of hacking, chilled stuff at home and longer, faster more adventurey scrambles on the NY Moors which are on our doorstep.

This is the saddle after my second ride on it. I'm still faffing with shim placement because his shoulder issue is fairly nightmarish and a difficult one to resolve, but the saddle is really comfortable. I was expecting it to feel more "perched", as others seem to have struggled with that, but it didn't. It's a little bit higher than my old Wintec, but the built in thigh blocks of this design, plus the short flap, mean that I can wrap my leg around the horse in a way I've never really managed before. I bought fenders because I am a slob who likes to ride in trainers in summer without having my legs bitten by the leathers, plus I like the look of them.

So for anyone who is interested, this is a Piccolo Ferrara in black oiled nubuck, with leather girth straps and long (rather than regular length) fenders. There's a butterfly shaped shim between the seat and the base, plus shims between the base and the panels, to mitigate the joint issues of all saddles sliding behind his shoulder, and me pitching downhill. We haven't fully cracked the former issue yet but I'm confident Steph will improve on it when she's next up here in person. There's only so much you can do over FB Messenger! The stirrups are my cheap Shires Compositis with cages on, and the girth is my existing Le Tixerant dressage girth (which I would also recommend to anyone who finds their saddle is moving. It's a great girth). Saddle pad is an Edix roundskirt with sheepskin, size Small. It takes felt shims in six pockets but I'm not currently using any.

And finally, please excuse the breastplate over the saddlebags. I need to get my sewing machine out and modify the bags so they sit a bit further down.

.....I think that's everything! I know people are always interested in saddle options for tricky to fit combinations (which we are!) so I thought I'd share. I can keep this updated as I ride on it more and perfect the setup.

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Looks fantastic!

Mine initially looked quite high, but did bed in after a couple of rides.

I went for the Torino, and I've had lots of people admiring it.

I haven't yet managed to meet Steph in person (the joys of living above the snow line! 🙄), but she put me in touch with a lovely lady up in Scotland, who helped me find the right combo. Looking forward to finally meeting Steph when she next visits. 🙂
 

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I've had Fin in a trial Ghost from Steph, and I'm happy with how he goes in it. I have one on order that looks much weirder and should sort out a few niggling issues. It keeps me in a much better position than any other saddle I've ridden in, including Hermosa's Iberian thing. She will probably get a Ghost of her own (western saddle in TARDIS blue? sorry....) next year or later this year, since hers sort of works, and Fin didn't have a functional saddle at all.

The fact that the seat and all that can be adjusted for the rider, whilst the undercarriage can be adjusted for the horse, is pretty game-changing. I've always lived with whatever, so long as it fit the horse, because finding something that worked well for us both seemed impossible, and my view was that if someone has to suck it with a fit that's a bit sh*)t, that should be me.

Getting them as bizarre-looking as you like is also pretty great.
 

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If you've told me you were Widgeon then I'd forgotten 🤪🤣, glad you're getting on so well with it and I'm sure we can improve it even before I can get to you (which shouldn't be long, watch out for an email).

I don't think I did, I was so fixated on the saddle fitting objective it didn't even occur to me to mention it!
 

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Ghosts are great, arent they?

I trialled a demo Torino (amongst a couple of the other versions) and loved it so much I bought one but now can't grt it stable enough on him, which is a shame as it's beautiful & so comfy.

Via FB Steph did pass on the name of someone who might be able to help through virtual fittings, which I need to scroll back through to find again. Hopefully we can get ours back out and in use after a few years of sitting in my parent's garage 🤞
 

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western saddle in TARDIS blue?

Getting them as bizarre-looking as you like is also pretty great.

Haha! I'm the complete opposite.....plain black, no fancy bits. White stitching was as fancy as I went. But with that bridle you've got, you'll have the medieval jousting look nailed.
 

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Ghosts are great, arent they?

I trialled a demo Torino (amongst a couple of the other versions) and loved it so much I bought one but now can't grt it stable enough on him, which is a shame as it's beautiful & so comfy.

Via FB Steph did pass on the name of someone who might be able to help through virtual fittings, which I need to scroll back through to find again. Hopefully we can get ours back out and in use after a few years of sitting in my parent's garage 🤞

Riding in Balance in West Lothian :). I will help remotely in time, but doing hands on saddle checks is really critical, imo, to be able to later offer remote saddle checks, as I'm sure you can understand, and those take a little longer to come through.
 

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Riding in Balance in West Lothian :). I will help remotely in time, but doing hands on saddle checks is really critical, imo, to be able to later offer remote saddle checks, as I'm sure you can understand, and those take a little longer to come through.

Thank you :)

Of course, hope you didn't think I was criticising - it wasn't meant that way at all! I'm very grateful for the help 🙏 🙂
 

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I thought I'd share this as I've chipped in over the years to many threads on saddle woes - my horse and I are a tricky combination to fit, for a number of reasons. I have long thighs and he has a short back and fairly poor posture (which I'm working on, now I know what's going on), so most saddles tend to slide into the dip behind his shoulders and sit there. That drops me forwards (ouch) and can't be too comfortable for him either. That said, I've never been comfortable, on any horse, in conventional treed English saddles, but because it's always been that way I sort of thought maybe it was....normal?

Having spent the five years since buying this horse working through a number of saddles that I'd rather not disclose (incidentally, by far the least worst was a £100 Wintec Pro dressage) I came across Ghost when @sbloom started stocking them and talking about them. I stalked her and the brand for a while before deciding that the component based approach seemed really clever, and (critically) I could actually afford a new one, made to my requirements, because they're not that expensive. We saw Steph for a fitting earlier this year and after a few weeks of chewing it over I ordered one. We mostly do lots of hacking, chilled stuff at home and longer, faster more adventurey scrambles on the NY Moors which are on our doorstep.

This is the saddle after my second ride on it. I'm still faffing with shim placement because his shoulder issue is fairly nightmarish and a difficult one to resolve, but the saddle is really comfortable. I was expecting it to feel more "perched", as others seem to have struggled with that, but it didn't. It's a little bit higher than my old Wintec, but the built in thigh blocks of this design, plus the short flap, mean that I can wrap my leg around the horse in a way I've never really managed before. I bought fenders because I am a slob who likes to ride in trainers in summer without having my legs bitten by the leathers, plus I like the look of them.

So for anyone who is interested, this is a Piccolo Ferrara in black oiled nubuck, with leather girth straps and long (rather than regular length) fenders. There's a butterfly shaped shim between the seat and the base, plus shims between the base and the panels, to mitigate the joint issues of all saddles sliding behind his shoulder, and me pitching downhill. We haven't fully cracked the former issue yet but I'm confident Steph will improve on it when she's next up here in person. There's only so much you can do over FB Messenger! The stirrups are my cheap Shires Compositis with cages on, and the girth is my existing Le Tixerant dressage girth (which I would also recommend to anyone who finds their saddle is moving. It's a great girth). Saddle pad is an Edix roundskirt with sheepskin, size Small. It takes felt shims in six pockets but I'm not currently using any.

And finally, please excuse the breastplate over the saddlebags. I need to get my sewing machine out and modify the bags so they sit a bit further down.

.....I think that's everything! I know people are always interested in saddle options for tricky to fit combinations (which we are!) so I thought I'd share. I can keep this updated as I ride on it more and perfect the setup.

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This looks to be the most uncomfortable thing I've ever seen (almost). Where are you meant to sit? No one has a backside that small unless you're meant to sit on part of that steep pommel 😬
 

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This looks to be the most uncomfortable thing I've ever seen (almost). Where are you meant to sit? No one has a backside that small unless you're meant to sit on part of that steep pommel 😬

I do, apparently - and I'm a size 12/14 in jeans. I feel quite flattered. But joking aside I agree I'd never fit into an English saddle that looked like that - I'm no expert but I suppose the critical difference is that the seat part is a lot thicker and softer than on a conventional treed English saddle, so it does squash a bit (in all orientations) when you sit on it. And I am on the upper end of bum-sizes that would fit into that sized seat. I have very little space for pie eating from now on, but my horse has a shortish back so that's always been the case.

I think it will flatten out a bit with use - again, a treed English saddle would not because it's a different construction underneath.
 

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Interesting. What sort of budget are we talking for the right set up? Is there spine clearance?
Mine was £1300 but I wanted extra bits like fenders, leather girth straps, the extra shims to mitigate my downhill horse, and pretty stitching on the seat. Without those you'd probably be looking at around £1100 new. But if you can work with a fitter to figure out exactly what you want (there are four different bases with varying levels of stiffness, and more seat designs than I have counted) you can pick them up from about £900 second hand, if you don't mind waiting for something of the right spec to come up for sale.

Spine clearance - yes, it has panels rather than the big fat pad approach of some treeless saddles - this page has some useful photos. The seat, the base and the panels sit on top of each other in a sort of stack, velcroed together. It sounds mad but it works. The base performs some of the functions of a tree, in that it's a rigid (or semi rigid, if that's what you want) frame on which the stirrups hang.
 

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Interesting, I want to change my saddle. We have rehabbed from KS surgery and I’d like to change her saddle which “fits, but that’s not to say another saddle might fit better” but as she’s 21 years old and I’ve spent a lot in vets bills, I don’t really want to part with much more than a thousand pounds so this could work.

I did want an AH saddle not sure about a fitter as the one who recommended it doesn’t seem very keen to come back and fit me one. (Maybe because my budget is so small?)
 

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I did want an AH saddle not sure about a fitter as the one who recommended it doesn’t seem very keen to come back and fit me one. (Maybe because my budget is so small?)
Are you on the Facebook group for second hand ones? Could you ask on there for a fitter covering your area who could recommend a model and then fit a second hand one for you? They do sometimes have an asking price of less than £1000 second hand.
 

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It's been an absolute game changer.
I need to get some photos of me actually riding in mine. I'd like to know what I look like. It *feels* loads better than my old saddle, but I know my own perception of where my leg sits is often way off. I might rope in one of my family while they're visiting for Easter. Your leg looks comfortable and nicely underneath you and I'm hoping mine looks the same!
 

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This looks to be the most uncomfortable thing I've ever seen (almost). Where are you meant to sit? No one has a backside that small unless you're meant to sit on part of that steep pommel 😬

They're SO pelvic shaped that actually they work incredibly well for stabilising the pelvis for most riders, plus you can adapt the seat shape. And generically most people find them very comfortable. Appearances can be deceptive! I will say I have ordered a few demos with lower cantles, and I don't encourage people towards the very deep seated versions.

I need to get some photos of me actually riding in mine. I'd like to know what I look like. It *feels* loads better than my old saddle, but I know my own perception of where my leg sits is often way off. I might rope in one of my family while they're visiting for Easter. Your leg looks comfortable and nicely underneath you and I'm hoping mine looks the same!

I'm sure we took a photo or two of you in the demo saddle?
 

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I'm sure we took a photo or two of you in the demo saddle?
We did, and they still looked a bit further back than I'd like, but poor old Mojo was shuffling around like he smoked forty a day (he's properly better now) and I think we had the stirrups on the back loop. I've put them on the front (you mentioned that would be worth trying) and it feels better. Just for comedy value, I might try to list all the variables available and calculate how many possible setup options there are 😆
 

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We did, and they still looked a bit further back than I'd like, but poor old Mojo was shuffling around like he smoked forty a day (he's properly better now) and I think we had the stirrups on the back loop. I've put them on the front (you mentioned that would be worth trying) and it feels better. Just for comedy value, I might try to list all the variables available and calculate how many possible setup options there are 😆

In the main range there are 312 combos in terms of base and seat...that's without Cavellin, Iberian and C ranges...
 

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In the main range there are 312 combos in terms of base and seat...that's without Cavellin, Iberian and C ranges...
and without shims, pommel boosters, high cantle, stirrups on front or back etc. I think 312 is distinctly unimaginative....I think I can achieve at least five figures 😆 . Sorry, this is totally off topic really, I just love a good spreadsheet
 

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Are you on the Facebook group for second hand ones? Could you ask on there for a fitter covering your area who could recommend a model and then fit a second hand one for you? They do sometimes have an asking price of less than £1000 second hand.
I didn't know that! Will have a look although would my money be better placed in a Ghost saddle? They look so comfy, but tbh my main priority is Pony's comfort, who knows!
 
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