Giving the nervous horse the opportunity to 'leave' when doing groundwork?

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Roo is 2yrs old, bought over from Ireland last month and had very little (but good) handling. It initially took 3people and a bucket of feed to catch but he's come on in leaps and bounds (sometime literally. He's desperate to play :rolleyes: )

He leads and ties up well (taught in Ireland). He lets me touch him all over but is less keen once behind his withers, and picks up all four feet with only a little leg waving. He is very quiet, gentle and polite but still a little wary.

He currently lives by himself in a small paddock (still in isolation) and I don't have stables to work with him in the field.

Because of the setting I often work with him loose, but can't decide if it helps or hinders.

It gives him the opportunity to leave if he feels he can't cope with whatever i'm doing. He's lonely and bored so usually enjoys it but still occasionally walk off if it's too much (hates having his tail even slightly pulled for example). He usually comes back but sometimes I have to wait, or go get him, depending on how much he didn't like it. If he really didn't like it (i.e it frightened him) he will avoid me until he's calmed down.

If it's someting I know he won't like but needs done I do restrain him and he lets me do it with minimal fuss (although clearly ready to run away the second he gets the chance). It works well for somethings he needs to learn aren't as bad as he feared (flycreaming belly or having a rug on) BUT if I restrain him for something he's normally 'second-time-round' for whilst loose (like itching his tail: walks off first time, stands quietly next time), he then makes a fuss about it next time he's loose (if that makes sense)

Question I guess is : would you just restrain him at all times and insist (quietly and gently of course) that he accepts everything I ask. It would be quicker! Or should he be allowed the opportunity it moves off if it's too much, so he CHOOSES to accept it, bearing in mind he almost always lets you do it the next time or time after, and seems happier about it that being forced?

I'm in no rush to get things done, have infinite patience for him and he's come on so far already. However someone other day said "why don't you just tie him up" when I accidently poked him (i tripped) and he ran off (he came back)

Roo's usual face when you've done something he doesn't like and is thinking about coming back
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That's an interesting question. I guess there will be varied responses but in my opinion what you're doing is absolutely perfect - he has a lot of reasons to want to be wiht you (you are doing interesting things and it sounds like you're being quiet and calm and consistent with him), but he will trust you becuase he can leave if he feels like it. Personally if I was you I'd carry on absolutely as you are giving him the opportunity to leave when he wants - this helped the confidence of my nervous horse a lot (though it cna be a bit annoying when they actually DO leave as I guess you've also found :-)!).
 
I'm 5 years in with the "let him leave if he needs to"... and he pretty much never leaves any more... worming, grooming (including mane and tail brushing), tacking up, sheath cleaning, hoof trimming, rugs, fly spray, all can be done without tying up.

Oddly enough, having never tied up (he tended to pull back and break away when I got him and he's Irish too), recently he has been tied up at a couple of events and been perfect.

Roo looks a nice sort (and I recognize that "mmm, I want to go over but then again I don't" face :D).
 
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With mine, I put a long rope on her, and that way she can walk off if it gets too much. But it means she can't go too far away. I bring her back and then calmly start the process again. This is in the field.

In the stable, I leave her loose and let her walk off and return to me when she's ready.

It sounds like what your doing is working with him and every time he comes back to you, you're giving him a reason to have confidence in and trust you, so I would say continue as you are.

Lovely horse x
 
My instinct is that the way you're approaching it sounds great, but I don't have the experience to back it up so I'll be really interested to see what others have to say:)
 
I think the way you are doing it is great, we often did this sort of thing with the unhandled Dartmoors and it worked really well giving themthe option to walk off as they learned trust and it seemed to create a better bond in the long term. ones that were completely unhandled we'd just sit on a pile of hay and they'd munch around us gradually allowing us to touch them and build up from there!!

You do need a balance because they need to learn they can't just wander off every time they don't like something but it sounds like you are doing that too any way.

If you want to teach something a bit more quickly but still not with a huge amount of pressure obviously a round pen, stable would be good as they can walk off to think but not go too far!
 
You do need a balance because they need to learn they can't just wander off every time they don't like something but it sounds like you are doing that too any way.

If you want to teach something a bit more quickly but still not with a huge amount of pressure obviously a round pen, stable would be good as they can walk off to think but not go too far!

this is what sprang to mind for me, i like being able to let a nervous one learn to trust without restraint but there does come a time when you have to put the pressure on a little so that they learn to deal with that too!!
I have a lovely lad who was well handled and is very affectionate and not an ounce of malice in him, but i don't think he was ever made to do things, it was always on his terms and that taught him that if you protest you get left alone. it took quite a while and some impressive battles of will to make him realise that i make the decisions not him;) Now he tries really hard but sometimes reverts to having a little paddy if he doesn't understand rather than throwing his toys out because he doesn't want to do something:)
 
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