good manege lighting without planning permission.

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Has anyone used lighting from www.manegelight.com or similar? Will they count as mobile as light itself and post is removable but electrics would eventually be permanent (initially plan on running off genny/leisure batt before putting electrics in). the brackets go on your existing manege fencing.

I unfortunately dont have any buildings near enough to put "security lights" on. however, my menage is in one of the fields what about security lighting (on posts) for the field and the manege...dont want any horses or jumps getting stolen you see ;) :p . or do you need pp for the posts?

My planning permission for manege does not actually mention anything about lighting /illumination. Would you interpret this as that it would be easy to achieve as they havent clearly stipulated NO NO NO in the original plans? the problem is I am also applying for a change of use to a livery yard. If I went down the route of achieving planning for the lights should I do this prior to putting in planning permission for the change of use? only prob is I really need to get moving on the change of use application.

Any advice appreciated :)
 
I think if they are temporary then you may not need planning. So lets say you use the sort of lights workmen use on site, have some hooks up you put them on, plugs to plug them in, and take them down regularly, I don't think there is much the council can do. After all - enforcement is only ever a 'stop notice' which asks you to return it to the way it was before, so if you don't make the lights permanent you can easily remove them without a problem - and without spending £££ getting them put in and then having to have them removed. Toolstation and screwfix sell the sort of lights you want.

A planning consultant will be able to advise you as to whether to do the lighting with change of use or before.
 
Yard I was at wasn't even able to turn on a security light overlooking the school as neighbours complained and they needed planning permission. (the neighbours were two fields away!)
 
I would phone your local planning office and ask if you need permission.

I'll admit it's a good few years since I left the lighting industry, but I don't ever remember anyone having to apply for permission just for lighting.

As for the lighting shown, it's pretty patchy and uniformity (the evenness of the light) is terrible. But, it's a lot better than a dark manege. :D
 
ahh cool a very knowlegable person in an area I know nothing about wattage and voltage means very little to me I am afraid. What type of lights wattage etc would you recommend pleaseee? :)
 
There is actually very little 'industry' information about lighting for schools. I did a fag packet design for Badgeworth Arena in Somerset, but that was to a very high standard. They needed 4 x 10 metre high lighting columns (the poles) with 3 x 150 watt flood lights on each pole. That's a lot of light and a lot of electrickery.

If you are just looking to get enough light to be able to do some schooling and basic dressage, then I would go with the kind of installation shown on the web site. 4 poles (as tall as you can manage), 2 x 100 to 150 watt SON (that's the type of lamp) flood lights on each pole.

These days, due to regs, you can do all the basic work yourself, but you MUST have a qualified electrician do all the final connections and testing. Given the current state of the building industry, it shouldn't be hard to find someone to do that work at an affordable price.
 
Do remember a yard I was at a while ago, Earl whatever his name is who lives in Hatfield House complained that lights from outdoor menage were spoiling his view. So they had to install very low-level lights that spooked the life out of horses. Best to know people in high places, I guess.
 
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