Granted planning permission for stables, then refused 5days later!

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I was granted planning permission for my stable on the 24th Sept, I have an answer phone message recorded confirming this, then my paperwork arrived on 25th confirming my planning permission has been granted. It wasn't until the 27th i received a letter saying there has been an error and my documents were sent out on the wrong headed paper! However, in the accompany letter it states that the documents are not withstanding the validity of the orginal decision and it for admin only. Within the orginal planning granted it states twice within the document that planning has been granted and the conditions were no to be islolated (my stables are behind a hedge next to another set) and not to be painted white. It also mentions about horicultural land removes the agricultural landscape, but my field is among 5 others which all have planning for horses and stables! Has anyone else come accross this? The council don't want to know, the fact that i sent the builders in to start on the monday and have footings ready for building. It OUTRAGEOUS!
 
Rock solid grounds for appeal plus an excellent chance you could get any "out of pocket" expenses refunded.. I would hold firw with the builders until you have had some professional advice.. CLA membership? Household legal insurance?
 
I would get yourself a good local planning consultant and take em to the cleaners!!! They had a go at my caravan a few years ago and started getting annoying, so I appointed a planning consultant and they shut up and went away!!
 
Sounds v odd. If the application was mean to be refused no conditions would have been drawn up, so is it possible a "junior" planning officer decided to issue without it being checked by senior officers and is now trying to recall it??
I'd suggest a chat with Head of Planning and to ask your local councillor to be involved.
 
I've contacted planning and log a complaint and they told me there is nothing i can do as it was a rejection and i have to appeal. But i don't believe this to acceptable! and they can't get away with it. I've sent all my paperwork to a solictor who deals with planning for advice. In the mean time winter is setting in and i've converted my shelter into two stables and two horses are being stabled in neighbours stables. Its a total mess!
 
It was NOT a rejection and you do NOT have to appeal. This has happened to my daughter and is a long and messy process. Hang on in there, contact your MP and the Planning Ombudsman. The original papers granting permission have to stand.
 
KarynK said:
I would get yourself a good local planning consultant and take em to the cleaners!!!
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Ditto above, once granted it's granted! What a nightmare. I wouldn't hold off building the stables, you HAVE permission, take a copy a pin it to your stables. They are going to find it even harder to wing their way out of this once it's up.

Good luck.
 
Im currently having 'fun' with the planners for my stables. At first it was stables and garage application, they disputed the garage said stables were ok so i just put the stables app in and then lo and behold theyve refused that! @******s!!!! *aparently they are not of a superior design* WTH?? Theyre wooden stables with green box profile roofing!!!!
Theyre still up and if push comes to shove im lifting them and putting them on skids... they are then classed as temporary and they can't do anything about it!!! HA!!

Planners are mainly jobsworths, my lot obviously are. It's a bit suss how there were no issues at all with the stables in the first instance (when the garage was on the application also) then as soon as it's just the stables they have issues.

As far as i know you dont need permission to concrete/plock pave a piece of land, we could concrete the whole of our garden if we wanted to. I would lay your concrete and then if the planners are still messing about put the stables up on skids :D :D
 
You can pave/concrete your garden, but not elseswhere, so they could make you remove it.

Planners are a nightmare. I swear they say no just so you have to pay to appreal, or reapply for what you want.

I would definately go to your MP - show them the letter and tell them that you have booked the builders, and the planning dept are refusing to discuss it.

We had a nightmare when we put stables up years ago. I had to get quite cross with the planning dept. I told them that I would be buying five old waggons to park in a line to put the horses in, which would be much more of an eyesore than the lovely wooden stables and trees that we had in the plans. Eventually they gave me permission, but for less stables, and with no end of restrictions - no livery etc. I have to say that once they passed it, they never came and inspected, and we have since put up two more without permission (initially portable!).
 
If they gaave permission with conditions attached (that were relevant ones for your location) then it suggests its not just a clerical oversight but that theyve just decided to change their mind or feel their officer shouldnt have approved it.

Thats a different thing from sending a letter to the wrong person for eg, where they would be justified in saying PP wasnt granted in reality.

They want you to appeal. If you do go down that route then you should make them (and they should agree) to pay all the costs of the appeal, including a planning consultant fee.

On the other hand, you could call their bluff, and advise them that the PP was validly granted by their own officer and in writing and you will be adhering by the PP. They are after all responsible for their agents actions (ie the officer), they cant just disown them 5 days 5 months or 5 years later. Otherwise whats to stop them coming in halfway through the build and saying oh sorry we made a mistake? The fact its pre the main build makes no odds legally.

Then they would have to go down the enforcement route, which you can appeal and I dont know that they would have the balls to go that far given what the inspector would have to say at the enforcement appeal!

Personally, if the stables are fairly uncontentious with neighbours etc (otherwise they might egg on the council), if it were me I would stand your ground, especially as you have the foundations in place.
Before you decide what to do, try to get your solicitor to check out any case law on this, esp planning enforcement appeals where people have stood their ground and insisted on relying on the original grant; this cant be the first time this has happened.

Good luck!
 
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