COldNag
Wasting my time successfully....
It would certainly appeal to me for my retiree if I was in the area.
Grass livery
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@Katie&Judy I think you would have a few takers for it. Pub liability insurance and request your potential grazers have insurance too.
JBM
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Perfect thank you
dottylottie
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my mum once looked after a mare owned by a neighbour in a setup like this - worked out until one day she didn’t come to call and after a fair bit of time wandering around looking for her she found her at the very top tangled in barbed wire, ended her career and it was a surprise she made it out alive (to my knowledge she’s happily retired with a lovely new owner though).
i would say with correct fencing, and provided you at least have a good lay of the land which i’m presuming you do with it being your own, it may appeal for those with good do-ers, and since your main goal is to give judy a pal or two i’d say go for it!
obviously just make sure you have correct insurance etc and maintain full transparency about it so people aren’t taken aback chucking their horses into a forest?
i do agree that it wouldn’t be much of a money maker, but since that’s not the reason for it anyway i wouldn’t say that’s a big deal
i would say with correct fencing, and provided you at least have a good lay of the land which i’m presuming you do with it being your own, it may appeal for those with good do-ers, and since your main goal is to give judy a pal or two i’d say go for it!
obviously just make sure you have correct insurance etc and maintain full transparency about it so people aren’t taken aback chucking their horses into a forest?
i do agree that it wouldn’t be much of a money maker, but since that’s not the reason for it anyway i wouldn’t say that’s a big deal
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I have a fear of barbed wire and stock fencing, only because I had a £400 vet bill because he got his leg caught in it. So I babyfy my fences, inside run a line of poles and tape and it keeps him away from it. It wouldn’t put me off going to a place but I would pop up a secondary fence on inside probably in the places they would most hang out ?
I have seen the area and it is spacious and lots of room to move around ?
I have seen the area and it is spacious and lots of room to move around ?
ihatework
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That’s all well and good, but just because you haven’t had an accident doesn’t mean your fencing is a good example. Furthermore Judy is your horse so you can take the call on what risk you are going to take.
If you start taking money for grazing then you run the risk of liability if there is a serious accident and any insurance company is going to laugh in your face if you try and get them to cover a claim.
My perspective as a livery is I evaluate the set up offered and if I go there I accept the risk of any accidents. However, in the face of a dead horse you might find any liveries you have aren’t quite so pragmatic …
AmyMay
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The fencing shown in the picture is totally inadequate and a terrible accident waiting to happen. Hopefully it’s only that section that needs attention, but if not you’ll need to factor in replacement fencing before offering livery.
JBM
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Lots of horses around me are kept on the same set up I have no problem if someone wants to take the 3 hours to walk around and put up electric tape but personally because my mare is respectful to fencing I have no reason to
It’s unlikely any would get tangled in Barb as it’s only on the top
I’ve also had a rescue out doing a home check and I’ve passed so they seem to think the fencing is adequate
It’s unlikely any would get tangled in Barb as it’s only on the top
I’ve also had a rescue out doing a home check and I’ve passed so they seem to think the fencing is adequate
throwaway2022
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Whilst that’s not an option I would consider myself, pricing wise I’d not expect much more than what would cover your expenses. I pay £37.50pw for excellent grass livery, will go back down to £25pw when haylage isn’t needed. Fully checked by an amazing and very experienced lady, she arranges farrier and will hold if I can’t make it. I’ve used her on and off for years, she has my baby Highland long term and I took our rising 4yo over yesterday for a little holiday. I’d be lost without her!
poiuytrewq
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Sorry to jump in, where?
Op, could this land potentially be used as a track system type set up maybe?
The fencing would need definite improvement, it’s one thing having your own there with no problem but a lot of horses wouldn’t be contained by that and the risk of injury I’d pretty high.
KittenInTheTree
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I'd not trust mine with that fence. It's already sagging badly, and with such wet ground it would be all too easy for a horse to push it over fully. That's presuming that they don't simply jump it. And yes, I would anticipate damage to the trees.
Tiddlypom
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This poster is not set up or capable of taking money to care for other people's horses, with all the responsibilities that entails.
It is clear from her numerous posts that she is both very inexperienced, and that she doesn't realise how inexperienced she is.
It is clear from her numerous posts that she is both very inexperienced, and that she doesn't realise how inexperienced she is.
JBM
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I really don’t think there’s any reason to be rude honestly
It’s a forum for advice if I thought I knew everything why would I bother posting? If you have advice give it but don’t belittle me for trying to learn
People have different management styles for their horses and just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean you can talk down to me. I wouldn’t ever lie to someone to “take money off people” the field is the way it is I’m not forcing anyone to put their horses there
Thanks ?
AmyMay
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If you think that the fencing (as shown) is adequate and safe then I really don’t think you have enough knowledge to have paying equines in your care. Sorry.
AmyMay
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No, you’re not forcing anyone. But someone with little to no experience may consider it safe - which it’s not.
Zoeypxo
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If any fencing is remotely loose my horse will either try and walk through it or get stuck in it. Happened twice before in amazing fields lots of grass and company , one tiny bit of loose wire she will go and trash it. Dont know why she just feels the need to do that. Not all horses respect fencing or have any self preservation so really the fencing needs sorting out!
Could work for good doers i guess
Could work for good doers i guess
JBM
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Okie thank you to the people who left useful advice
I will no longer be replying to this as people keep picking at my knowledge and experience
I will no longer be replying to this as people keep picking at my knowledge and experience
Auslander
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I know its tough to take criticism without getting defensive, but if you try and remove your emotional response from the mix, sme of the tugh stuff may be the advice that is most valuable to you. It's painful to accept it though.
That fencing isn't suitable for horses, and you would struggle to find sensible people prepared to pay money to put their horses in a potentially dangerous situation. Even though your girl has been fine out there, that doesn't make it safe - you can have horses in a badly fenced field for 20 years without a problem, but that doesn't mean it's safe and suitable - just that you are very lucky. It only takes a second for a horse to d something really stupid, and then you have an accident on your conscience.
coblets
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Where I work has a similar set-up, not forestry but the same type of fencing over large and not all useable acreage. Never been an issue with any of the horses but all the horses are owned by the YO so there are different considerations to having a livery. TBH I think this type of fencing is very common when land is used for both horses and other livestock. If there's little winter turnout in your area people would probably ignore the fencing over the chance to get turnout. They can visit and make up their own mind anyway.
ihatework
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When you say useful advice, do you mean advice that broadly aligns with what you were hoping to hear?
Because there is a lot of good advice on here that I suspect you are discounting a bit hastily.
misst
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OP I would not have kept my retired native mare on that ground with that fencing and she was super sensible and tough.
I realise that you are happy with it but most people would not be. Just because you know people who keep horses like this doesn't make it ok. I really hope your mare stays safe. It is not about "respecting" fencing. Horses slip, roll, jump, paw at things, they are not "disrespecting" a fence (it's a bad turn of phrase to take literally as horses do not "respect" fences in that sense). Accidents happen in the best circumstances but it is our responsibility to mitigate the chances of an accident when possible. That fencing is not remotely safe.
I realise that you are happy with it but most people would not be. Just because you know people who keep horses like this doesn't make it ok. I really hope your mare stays safe. It is not about "respecting" fencing. Horses slip, roll, jump, paw at things, they are not "disrespecting" a fence (it's a bad turn of phrase to take literally as horses do not "respect" fences in that sense). Accidents happen in the best circumstances but it is our responsibility to mitigate the chances of an accident when possible. That fencing is not remotely safe.
JBM
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No I mean that I don’t care if your advice is in support or if you think it’s a bad idea I’ve heard the 20 comments on the fencing and I understand that some of you don’t like it and that’s grand but what I don’t find to be “advice” is that because my opinion on the fencing is different that you can make comments on me
I asked for advice on grass livery not about how you think of me as a person
So anyone who made comments in relation to the question I have taken on board anyone who made a comment towards me personally has been ignored
Otherwise
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Honestly I don't really care if in some places barbed wire is seen as acceptable, that's a really bad excuse to be using it.
I watched a horse die getting caught up in barbed wire. It was loose like yours, years old and hadn't been maintained. The horse was leaning over it to get to the better grass. Got a leg over, pulled back to move to a different patch and got stuck. He caught the barbed wire right below the fetlock.
The first cut, it was like a scene from a horror movie. Blood spurted out 3ft high and then ebbed, the second spurt was a lot lower and then it was just like a typical artery wound, pumping out with each heartbeat. You don't appreciate how much blood is in a horses body or how strongly it gets pumped around until you see something like that. All the time the horse was dancing, waving it's leg in the air, trying desperately to get free but like a fish on a line.
It is probably the most distressing horse death I've witnessed and the most gutting in that it could have been prevented. With barbed wire it's a case of when not if it causes an accident.
The first cut, it was like a scene from a horror movie. Blood spurted out 3ft high and then ebbed, the second spurt was a lot lower and then it was just like a typical artery wound, pumping out with each heartbeat. You don't appreciate how much blood is in a horses body or how strongly it gets pumped around until you see something like that. All the time the horse was dancing, waving it's leg in the air, trying desperately to get free but like a fish on a line.
It is probably the most distressing horse death I've witnessed and the most gutting in that it could have been prevented. With barbed wire it's a case of when not if it causes an accident.
Fjord
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As the owner of a good doer, I like the idea of tracks through a forest. I would imagine they would have to forage for grass and get quite a bit of movement in and there would be lovely natural shelter. You could also limit the size of the tracked area and hack around the rest.
Wire fencing like that worries me a bit though, I could imagine it would be easy for a horse to get a hoof through.
Not sure what you could charge, £80 - 100pm seems fairly average for grass diy I think.
Wire fencing like that worries me a bit though, I could imagine it would be easy for a horse to get a hoof through.
Not sure what you could charge, £80 - 100pm seems fairly average for grass diy I think.
AmyMay
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I’ve also kept horses with the same fencing set up. I personally have no issue with it, providing it’s well maintained.
What you seem to have missed in the comments is the condition of the fence. It’s poorly maintained and because of that it’s dangerous.
JBM
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AmyMay
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Yes, that fence line looks a lot better (needs to be tighter at the top of the picture).
So essentially you have one area to repair properly by the looks of it.
JBM
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Thank you Judy really loves it there
I have no problems with anyone putting electric fencing around the outside of it if they wish it just hasn’t been a problem for me as my mare is only ever near it at feeding time. Rest of the time she’s eating grass no where near it and there’s so many rushes would be hard to get their legs in
I understand some people aren’t comfortable with it tho!
JBM
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You guys all have access to look at that video but you all just fixate on one place and get hostile over it
It’s a wire “gate” doesn’t get tighter
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