Grass livery

[[153312]]

It was hyperbole, I am sorry if it wasn't clear; I'm not trying to be hostile either so I'm going to back out now. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do in the end.

 

[JBM]

It was hyperbole, I am sorry if it wasn't clear; I'm not trying to be hostile either so I'm going to back out now. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do in the end.

I’m sorry if I picked up your tone wrong and I do appreciate your advice but it does seem like on this forum sometimes that just because you want to learn something you’re told you shouldn’t do it because you don’t have any experience. The age old you need experience to get a job but need a job to get experience
I am sorry I picked that up wrong from you and hope you forgive me being rash

 

[AmyMay]

I’m sorry if I picked up your tone wrong and I do appreciate your advice but it does seem like on this forum sometimes that just because you want to learn something you’re told you shouldn’t do it because you don’t have any experience. The age old you need experience to get a job but need a job to get experience
I am sorry I picked that up wrong from you and hope you forgive me being rash

I haven’t seen anyone say you shouldn’t do it because of your lack of experience (well perhaps bar one or two), rather you should address the fencing first. But you’ve gone on to explain that it’s only the first photo where the fence is inadequate and you plan to rectify that with a proper gate.

You’re kicking back at the fencing comments because you actually can’t see that it’s an issue.

I don’t believe that any registered, legitimate charity would allow a pony to be placed on that land. But maybe (as you say) fencing in Ireland is usually pretty useless and poorly maintained so it may be what the charity is used to.

 

[[153312]]

I’m sorry if I picked up your tone wrong and I do appreciate your advice but it does seem like on this forum sometimes that just because you want to learn something you’re told you shouldn’t do it because you don’t have any experience. The age old you need experience to get a job but need a job to get experience
I am sorry I picked that up wrong from you and hope you forgive me being rash

Honestly there isn't any reason why your age should prevent you setting up, and running successfully, your own livery. You're unfortunately very right that it can be hard to get out of the vicious circle of 'inexperience breeding a lack of opportunities', but mindset counts for a lot too: and even that it occurred to you that you could offer livery suggests you've got that!
All the best.

 

[JBM]

I haven’t seen anyone say you shouldn’t do it because of your lack of experience (well perhaps bar one or two), rather you should address the fencing first. But you’ve gone on to explain that it’s only the first photo where the fence is inadequate and you plan to rectify that with a proper gate.

You’re kicking back at the fencing comments because you actually can’t see that it’s an issue.

I don’t believe that any registered, legitimate charity would allow a pony to be placed on that land. But maybe (as you say) fencing in Ireland is usually pretty useless and poorly maintained so it may be what the charity is used to.

Actually I took on board that people didn’t like the fencing and I did say I would replace it when someone had a conversation with me about it instead of bring me as a person into the discussion
If you amymay had just talked about the fencing that would be grand and I would take your criticism BUT you didn’t and you said that I didn’t have enough knowledge to do this and 2 other people brought up my lack of money?? Cuz they know me personally apparently
I’ve said that I realise some people don’t like it but sheep and horses in the same fields here are super common and horses are kept with sheep wire all the time so yes it is normal here and once it was addressed once I don’t see why every comment has to be based on that?
in future I would just rather if people didn’t pick on me as a person but stuck to talking about the land and the question weather you meant it or not
I’ll send you a picture when mocha arrives ??

 

[JBM]

Honestly there isn't any reason why your age should prevent you setting up, and running successfully, your own livery. You're unfortunately very right that it can be hard to get out of the vicious circle of 'inexperience breeding a lack of opportunities', but mindset counts for a lot too: and even that it occurred to you that you could offer livery suggests you've got that!
All the best.

Thank you that means a lot and sorry again for my misunderstanding I can be a bit hot headed!
it does seem that this particular livery idea would just be too much effort as for now but maybe when I get the stables set up I can revisit this idea and the advice given here! As I do like the idea of somewhere not to expensive for retired horses to live as retirement livery is expensive and far between here!

 

[AmyMay]

If you amymay had just talked about the fencing that would be grand and I would take your criticism BUT you didn’t and you said that I didn’t have enough knowledge to do this

Fair enough. But when someone constantly replies with ‘yes it is’ and others with more experience tell you ‘no it’s not’ someone’s knowledge is bound to be questioned ??‍

 

[JBM]

Fair enough. But when someone constantly replies with ‘yes it is’ and others with more experience tell you ‘no it’s not’ someone’s knowledge is bound to be questioned ??‍

Well I’m sure if you asked my granda who bred and owned working horses on the farm probably before most people on this forum were born what he thought his answer would be it’s good and he never had any problems in the years he had horses so I really don’t think because an opinion and experience is different it makes it wrong

 

[AmyMay]

Well I’m sure if you asked my granda who bred and owned working horses on the farm probably before most people on this forum were born what he thought his answer would be it’s good and he never had any problems in the years he had horses so I really don’t think because an opinion and experience is different it makes it wrong

That’s all well and good. But when you’re offering a service people expect that service to be safe. That’s not a matter of opinion, and is my experience.

It would be interesting to do a poll of all the livery users on here to see what their opinion would be.

But it’s a moot point. You’ve found someone prepared to take the risk ?

 

[[153312]]

The thing is - and it's a horrible cliche so I apologise - times change. Standards change.
Particularly when it's animal keeping this is no bad thing! It wasn't so long ago that 'showing the horse who's boss' was the status quo in training, and smashing an egg on the head of a rearer as it went up was oft suggested as a solution, but thank goodness we know better now. Similarly such fencing as pictured in front of your lovely bay may indeed have been deemed acceptable when your grandfather was breeding, but not now, and majority opinion does count when trying to run a business because if all your potential clientele disagree with how you do things, you won't be in business very long.

 

[JBM]

The thing is - and it's a horrible cliche so I apologise - times change. Standards change.
Particularly when it's animal keeping this is no bad thing! It wasn't so long ago that 'showing the horse who's boss' was the status quo in training, and smashing an egg on the head of a rearer as it went up was oft suggested as a solution, but thank goodness we know better now. Similarly such fencing as pictured in front of your lovely bay may indeed have been deemed acceptable when your grandfather was breeding, but not now, and majority opinion does count when trying to run a business because if all your potential clientele disagree with how you do things, you won't be in business very long.

I do understand this but I’m sure if you looked you could find a horse that has hurt themselves on pretty much everything
I’ve heard many horses getting injured in stables but yet we still use them?
I do believe that because horses here grow up with this fencing they’re smarter around it and the more you bubble wrap a horse the more they need to be bubble wrapped
We have had many horses
We used to rent out the forest to a local Connemara breeder and he kept young stock with that fencing and his fields at home have it too, my granda owned horses for years and never had a bad experience and these are all horses who grew up with this fencing so I don’t know ??‍

 

[quiteniceforacob]

I know this has been done to death now, but just to add, many insurance companies won’t pay out for field injuries if there’s a barbed wire fence. That would be a complete no for me as a livery as it would invalidate my cover, so worth checking your own insurance too!

 

[Dexter]

When you've posted previously that you don't have enough money for vet treatment for your horse, then I don't know why your surprised that people query if you can afford the cost of insurance, which is a substantial cost. You've also posted previously saying you were in your teens and now your in your 20s adding further confusion.

Then add in the posts you make that show your lack of experience and here we are. Lack of experience itself isn't an issue, but you don't get experience with horses by going it alone and caring for other peoples. You go and work for someone else and get the experience before you set up your own yard. You need to have a large financial buffer, rather than be doing it on a shoe string as well, because things will go wrong and it will cost money to put right.

You may well find someone who is happy to pay a nominal sum and share the land with you knowing the set up, but as other people have pointed out, if their horse ends up injured or dead then that attitude can soon change. You'd need to be very, very sure of the law so that it was you personally they sued rather than going after the actual land owner, and putting them at risk.

You also cant be a "hot head" when you running a business. Liveries will annoy you, they will do stupid,stupid things. You have to be able to deal with this in a calm and mature manner. If you look at posts on here difficult yard owners are what make people leave yards.