Grazing Management for Cushings Horses at risk from Laminitis......

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My Vet has just visited and given my Cushings Horse the all clear, following 12 days ‘Box Rest’ in his field shelter paddock with no grass, after his first bout of Laminitis since his initial bout in October 2005, when he was diagnosed with Cushings induced Laminitis when he was on 5 months box rest. I am pleased to say that he trotted up sound and the when she carried out the hoof pinch test he showed no reaction and his Digital Pulse was back to normal. He is a 26 year old 14.3 Welsh x Hackney.

As she has noticed that his overall condition and topline has changed since her last visit, earlier this year, she has suggested that I increase his Pergolide from 1mg a day to 1¼ mg for 3 to 4 days and as long as he does not start to scour then increase to 1½mg. She said to take some pictures now and see if there is any improvement of his condition as the Cushings is now showing in this way and taking its toll (?) … or did I misunderstand this bit …Sorry so much to take in! By the way, up to this attack, he had been ridden 2 to 3 times a week on slow hacks for 1 – 2½ hours the average being 1 hour 20 mins.

Now this is where I need all the experience you fellow sufferers of this condition have …..
She feels that instead of my regime of bare paddock turn out and giving him extra strips of grass, may have been the cause of this attack, together with the weird weather conditions! She says that new evidence has shown that the rush of him gorging whatever he can get when offered new patches, whether it be a strip or an hour out on some better grass is just too much and overloads them. She has suggested that I use a muzzle and then he can be turned out with it all the time and not go through this rush of gorging himself. She says that the ‘lobster pot’ type are better with a hole in the middle ….?????

Question ... Can anyone recommend a type of muzzle to use and/or give me their experiences of them?

Question ... I would also be very interested to know what turnout/grazing management regimes you guys out there have for your Cushings horses.

Thank you for reading this and for any help and advise that you can give me.
 
I'm sorry for the problems your horse is experiencing....there is a similar horse on our yard & she uses the Greenguard mask. Infact our lad is in one permanently aswell as are others on our yard to try & keep their weight down,

Greenguard are by no means the cheapest & they take a while for you to get adjusted just right but once all the messing about is over they work really well. You just put it on each morning & that's it. They are designed with the assistance of vets, they can drink easily through it & they get ample grass & they don't rub any whare near as alot of other types.

Many people say they can't get them to fit right....all it takes is a little patience....once fitted you will see the difference...Good Luck
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I've not used a muzzle, but for our old Cushings pony we found the regime that suited her best was maximum turnout of four hours a day, split into two sessions, on a small, unfertilised paddock which was never extended to incorporate fresh grass.
 
Our pony doesnt have cushings, but a few weeks a go was borderline lami. We had been using a muzzle, but it did nothing to help him. After initial box rest with limited hay he's now out again. I muzzle him 24/7, and he's in a bare paddock given a small strip daily (as you described). He's steadily losing weight, and as he does so the risk of lami is lower.

However, were I to turn him out with his muzzle on on normal grass, no matter what exercise he'd be back on lami risk again. IMO a muzzle with a hole in just doesnt work. To get round this we've put plastic meshing over the hole of his muzzle, tied on very tightly. this stops him gorging when a new strip of grass is introduced. A lobster bucket type would be ideal, but they rub like hell. IMO the best type of muzzle is the shires bucket muzzle, modified as I've said above.

There is always the option of leaving the pony in a dirt paddock with a supply of hay in a small holed haynet. I am going to start doing this in the next couple of days, simply because he's eaten all the grass in his little paddock (bit by bit) and I need the other grass to rest for a while. I don't want him eating fresh shoots...

if you would like a photo of my "anti lami" muzzle pm me and I'll happily send you one.
 
We used the Greenguard muzzle on our cushings pony, it worked really well for one season, then she learnt how to get it off! I've watched her rubbing her head on the ground until it come over one ear and then pawing with her hoof. Didn't want to risk it after that in case she got caught up. She now has 2 hours turnout on grass am and pm and the rest of the time on a very short paddock,p lus a section of hay at night and a feed of hi fi. Touch wood we are managing her on this with no lami this year. However her shape has definitely altered, she has lost a lot of muscle tone on top and is a bit ribby, but think this is just one of the side effect of the condition. I think its a case of trial and error to see which form of management suits your horse. Glad you have sorted the scouring out anyway.
 
Both mine have Cushings.

I don't use a grazing muzzle.

Both mine are each on one 250 microgram tablets per day.

The are also on one measure per day of Formulae Feet (Developed by Robert Eustace the vet that specialises in Laminitis).

I keep both mine in a very small quarter of an acre paddock during the day and they are stabled at night. I do not move the fencing but do pick up the poos each day.

One thing that can cause Laminitis are emerging encysted small Redworms so it is important to worm for them at the appropriate time of the year.
 
Thank you all so very much for your prompt responses, I will have a look at the Greenguard muzzle now on the web....
Katy I tried to PM you but I think your msg box is full!
Regards
Carol
 
Owlie185
Yes I soak my hay ... last year I used to soak it for 10 - 30 minutes but this year I now soak overnight and during the day for his am and pm net, refreshing the water every time.
Did not know about the encysted small red worm issue so will swat up more on that area.
Thanks.
 
I had some blood test carried out the day he went down with it again (25th July 2007) and they showed the Insulin Level was normal although a few areas where some levels were not quite right but nothing that the Vet was concerned about. I have tried to get a copy to compare with the previous two blood tests that I have had carried out in October 2005 and May 2007 but I have not yet received the hard copy only the translation over the phone.
Although today she said that she had spoken to Liphook who were going to run a new test which is a risk assessment for Laminitis using blood test results, so I await those results in anticipation!
Do you think there could be a factor on the blood tests that would show other risks then? Interesting!
 
Benji a horse at my yard has been in the exact same position as your horse, he was almost PTS as he could barely walk due to laminitis, he is now on a strict routine, he only goes in a small field with basically no grass, he is then given hay and that is weighed to check he gets the right amount, he also gets half a scoop of a special feed just to help him maintain condition

Good Luck
 
Blkood tests may reveal what triggered of this incident of Laminitis On the other hand Laminitis in horses is a symptom of other things be they a medical condition, stress or enviromental.
 
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