Grazing questions

PennywithHenry

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Hi all. I don't know if you'll remember but about 3 weeks ago I bought henry, a very poor TB gelding. I had him on livery but was moving him to his own paddock and stable just up the road from my house mid-April. This has now gone wrong, the farmer who owns the paddock has been taken ill and his son and daughter in law will be helping out on his farm, and the daughter in law will be using the paddock for her own horse.

Due to some problems at the livery yard, initially the fact that there was only an hour or so's turn out per day on a bare paddock for a leg stretch more than anything I had decided to move Henry to this paddock and rotate this with what land I have at home. I havn't lived here very long, and already in place is an approx 3/4 of an acre paddock split into 3 and another small paddock with a brick shelter round the back, it's all very grazed and 'sick'. Over the summer it was going to be refenced into two paddocks, plus the one round the back, re-seeded where needed and rested.

Now....I've lost my 'summer paddock' of the farmers....went to the yard this morning and met another problem....

At the yard they all look down their noses at Henry anyway, like its his fault he was chucked out and starved all winter....they have two large paddocks, mares in one and geldings in another....apparantly 'everyone' has been kicking up a fuss that when turnout starts being introduced next week they don't want their horses turning out with my 'scabby nag'

I was given a weeks notice to vacate the premises though was so upset I phoned my husband, who came down with the car to pack up my stuff and walked Henry the 20 minutes home there and then. He's now currently grazing my approx 1/3 acre lawn that surrounds the house.

With regards to the paddocks, I know that with the small amount of land I have (4 paddocks spanning about an acre) I'll probably have to add additional forage all year round. As for stabling the old brick built shelter has a door and is lovely and cosy, have bedded it out and he was more than happy in there whilst we sorted him out....I was thinking about investing in a mobile field shelter but I think that will suffice, and it opens int the small back paddock.

Would the best bet be keeping him and his companion (a little fatty welshy arriving later) in the one back paddock with plenty of hay etc while we continue the original plans for the other land. Would the three paddocks together be better leaving as three in terms of rotation or splitting into two (it surrounds the house and gardens on three sides hence I think the reason it was originally fenced into three)

The back paddock with stable would be the winter turnout/paddock as the grass is sparse due to it being an old roadway.....

So I guess my question is, to simplify without the above ramblings, what is the best way to manage the land? Also, with the limited grass would it be better over the summer to turn out onto the grass for, say, a certain amount of hours then move him back into the back paddock, or let him graze continuously until the grass is shorter then move onto the next paddock?

I look forwards to your advice, many thanks, Penny
 
Sorry, I can't really help with the question as i'm useless at managing my own, I just wanted to say poor you, how childish of the people at the yard, it really is acting like school bullies "I can't sit next to you, you have biddies" or cooties or whatever it is now!! How very childish and unkind.
Back to the grazing, I would probly keep the paddocks as 3 and just move the horses as soon as it starts to get muddy/bare as i find they recover quicker that way, however as I said this could be completely wrong as my grazing always is shocking!!!
 
Thanks for your reply, it was really awful, maybe I'm just over sensitive about him,as generally I'll give as good as I get but I'm ashamed to say I just burst into tears, rang hubby and left!

He's having a great time on the lawn where there is grass-he keeps peering in the llounge window!!

Unfortunately, the lady who owns the yard is old and will do anything for a quiet life. There is a certain livery who's really snobby and I know she had a problem with us from day one, so I daresay it was her telling the YO that it was 'everyone'....
Plus only the other day she mentioned I had the last stable and it was a shame as she'd been offered another project to bring on.....

Everyone knew he was wormed, deloused, had bloodwork done, he's a quiet old boy who wouldn't hurt a fly.....and there was nothing he could pass on to theirs, nor would he injure anyone. Yes, he's skinny, yes, he has a naff coat and no, he doesn't look too clever just now, but he certainly isn't contageous!
 
First of all I'd acquire myself a copy of a book called 'Horsekeeping on a Small Acreage' which I found invaluable (once I got past some of the Americanisms). I would leave the paddocks as a set of three because it allows you to rotate more often and also keep the horses on it for shorter periods of time. Have a good think about the type of ground you have - I keep my TBs on clay and no matter what I do it turns to mud at the first sign of rain. I also don't have a lot of spare acreage to play with so I 'sacrifice' one paddock in the winter and allow it to turn to mush and just feed ad lib hay. You could think about asking around for a spare field to rent this summer for grazing while you let the other paddocks rest. I would probably play it by ear over the summer as if it is anything like last years, you'll have to factor in the weather and any flooding etc. You may also find if your winter paddock turns to mush, you have to contend with mudfever and other nasties so. If it makes you feel any better, I keep my TBs in a small paddock all winter and they get nothing much in the way of food from the grass but I give them lots of hay, sugar beet and alfalfa (get yourself a good hay/haylage supplier) and they are fat as butter and look really good this year. THough I say it myself
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Oh and pay no attention to the meanies - I've lost count of the number of times I've taken my former hatracks hunting and everyone says 'wow where did you find that shiny little eventer' when they used to turn up their noses previously. Nothing a little TLC and corn oil won't fix!
 
No advice about the paddock question but just wanted to say. What a shower of bleeps! They are not true horse lovers if they made comments like that. Wait til they see him once he is looking good and you can strut past them on your flashy thoroughbred!
 
Get pally with one of your local agricultural contractors and pick their brains, alternatively ask for advice at the local feed merchants. If you poo pick regularly and fertilize/grass seed when you rotate it will help. Good luck.
 
I'm so sorry about the livery yard. (Do you want us to come round and sort them out for you?) I hate it when people can't help one another rather than be horrible to new comers. If he's quiet and not a kicker etc. whats their problem?

Anyway we have just over an acre and only keep one horse on it occasionally as we rent a 2+ acre field next door. Is there any other farmers locally or anyone with land that they don't use near. Over winter I'd just use the small paddock and keep the others for when dryer and give them chance for the grass to come through. Be carefull with the welshie quite a few are suseptable to laminitus. Does your horse really need a companion as this would help with the grazing? I know everyone seems to think that all horses need companions but sometimes as long as they don't have one to start with they're fine. Only my opinion everyone please don't shoot me down in flames. I do know that horses are herd animals. If they can just see other horses near they seem fine.
 
We've cancelled the welshie and have decided to see how he goes.

He's been coming up to the house 3 or 4 mornings a week to graze the lawn anyway due to the t/o...or rather lack of, at the yard, and has settled suprisingly well.

Just been out to put him to bed, as I wanted him in before dark on his first night and he's acting like he's lived here his entire life!! He's so chilled it's unbelievable!!

I've been thinking about putting his forage replacement mix in his stable and just leaving his door open, well rugged.....so many choices available now we're on our own lol I figured while it's not muddy he could do his own thing, he's not silly, if he's cold he'll in....I'll play it by ear.....

I need to know more about top dressing if anyone knows anything....???
 
How very horrible of them!!!!

I dread to think what they would make of my old lad without his rugs on!!!! (especially with his upside down clip, so his belly stays warm!) He is bloody hard work to keep weight on through winter and generally looks old and scabby.

He is clearly lucky to have you and I'm sure will look stunning over the next few months.

I have a few small paddocks and I just rotate them. I have got rid of as many weeds as possible and poo pick all year round.

I'm hopefully going to fertilize a couple of them this spring, as I am sure they haven't been done for years if at all.

It is difficult to picture what you have, but you will know the state of each bit and the grass that grows in it. I'd be tempted to keep him in the back paddock with shelter and try to rest the others.

Hopefully the weather will eventually improve so that the grass starts growing again and you can always allow him on to the better grass for a couple of hours each day if the grass doesn't recover quick enough.

In the meantime I'd get asking around to see if you can find some land to rent.

Good luck and keep us posted with how you get on.

Don't forget to take some pics of your lad too, we all love good before and after shots!
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I wouldn't worry too much about the acreage, if you don't mind feeding extra, according to condition.

There are some barefoot people, with horses who can't cope with grass at all, who more or less have their horses in corralls, and just feed extra forage. It is going to be a bit expensive, that is the draw back.

You could also fence him so that he has to walk around the perimeter, to get more exercise. That is another idea from the barefoot people. There is a book called Paddock Paradise which explains that system.

After all, in the USA lots of horses live on "dirt" and just get fed hay. Mud is going to be your problem. You might have to just re-seed one patch every year.

Sugar beet nuts, preferably unmolassed, are quite cheap. Otherwise have ad-lib hay in a feeder, and hope he isn't sensitive to dust. If not, then haylege. You can get "Cool Forage" which doesn't go off, so it is better for the one horse owner, unlike ordinary haylege that has to be eaten up quite quickly.

You will have to poo pick every day preferably. I bet in a very short time your horse will look lovely and all the unkind people will want to know when you got your "new" horse. Best of luck.
 
Penny - I just want to say how sorry I am that you've had this experience. People are just vile - I was quite choked reading your post (don't supposed the gin and tonic helped!). Where abouts in the country are you? If you were close to me, you could bring him here.
 
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