Grrr, sarcoids just not shifting! Any other ideas??

[DiamondSR]

Anyone had any experiences of Liverpool Cream NOT working (I only seem to read stories of great success!) and any other recommendations for alternative treatments?

My boy has had 2 courses of LC treatment on his big sarcoid, and 1 course of treatment on a tiny one we discovered more recently. The big one has definitely decreased in size but is still hanging on, and the scab came off the tiny one the other day and it looks no different! (I was convinced the smaller one would shift really easily as it was so tiny).

I was reluctant to use liverpool cream and tried all sorts of other natural remedies first, including thuja and manuka honey. I was sure the LC would work and am feeling very disappointed now it seems it hasn't!

So my next port of call was going to be Sarc-Ex - has anyone tried this with any success?

Thanks for reading!

 

[AmyMay]

I think you have to give it time to work - how long have you been using the treatment?

 

[DiamondSR]

5 months!!

The vet said they are meant to come off with the scab, but when the scabs come off the sarcoid just looks the same underneath (apart from the bigger one which tio be fair has shrunk)

 

[AmyMay]

Ah. I see your problem. Would have expected the sarcoid to have come away within a couple of weeks......

 

[Kenzo]

Depending on the type and where they are located, have you considered a course of BCG injections? not cheap but the results are very good, however it does knock it out of your horse for a while.

 

[DiamondSR]

Thanks Kenzo - I will ask the vet about the BCG injections. He is still covered under the insurance claim until next March, so I should be able to claim for the treatment.

 

[cheekycharley]

Arsnic cream worked for my horse when liverpool didnt....

 

[brighteyes]

I just know sarcoids are nasty bast'ds and there is little rhyme or reason to their behaviour. Try the BCG injection and I'd also give a homeopathic 'remedy' as a non conflicting boost. Won't do any harm, but may do some good. Thuja's what I used and it could have been a coincidence but the 'things the vet, myself and others were fairly sure were sarcoids' went.

Vet advised leave for a while and don't interfere with them so I never actually got to the official treatment stage.

I'm too chicken to use anything other than what a vet would supply on it. Is your horse's immune system fully up to speed. You can always tackle that alongside what the vet recommends.

Put sarcoids in the search facility and loads of stuff from here will come up.

 

[wackyracer]

I had kind of given up with the one that I was treating. . . but I started putting aloe vera gel on it in the morning before spraying fly spray, more as barrier really, and bugga me! now it has shrunk to the size of a lentil!!!!! Once I noticed the change I was applying it 2 or 3 times daily.

The aloe vera is 'pharmaceutical quality'(?), but I would never have thought something as mild as that would have done the trick!

 

[Baggybreeches]

^^^^ What she said^^^^
Try some Thuja alongside the LC (although I have seen some not great results from LC, one in fact made the Sarcoids much more aggressive). My mum/sister have used Sarc X with good results on small sarcoids.
Also as said before think about gving the horse some type of immune boosting supplement.
Good Luck xx

 

[galaxy]

We had one that took 4 months to come off. It was under the pony's girth which was really frustrating. After 3 months we consulted the vet, and he said becuase it had scabbed over, but not fallen off, another course of liverpool crream wouldn't work as it had already killed off the top of the sarcoid, but obviously not the core (does that make sense?), so applying it to what was already dead would do nothing. He told us to ride her with a sheepskin girth sleeve to "gently traumatise" it. It worked and after about 3/4 weeks the sarcoid fell off. We had to wait for another month or so to see if anything was gonna appear from where it fell off, but thankfully nothing did. So I know exactly how frustrating it is when they just don't come off!!

However this summer she's now come up with at least another 10!! A couple are actually under the skin (really gross). So starting the treatment again in the winter. Thankfully none effect her being ridden, but it's really horrible for the poor little thing.

 

[DiamondSR]

Thanks everyone, makes sense what people are saying about his immune system, that's why I liked the look of the Sarc-Ex supplement as they say it works partly by strengthening the immune system.

I had thought about maybe trying some of my 'old' remedies on the scabs to see if they work (I have a good stock of thuja, manuka, aloe etc etc!!), although I had heard you shouldn't put aloe on them as it multiplies the cells?

The bigger sarcoid (in his armpit), actually looks 'dead' now, like a big dry scab (it was like a golf ball before), so the cream has definitely done something - but agree with what galaxy23 says in that the second course just hasn't made any difference at all.

 

[china]

my YO uses sarc x on her mare as she has a very very small one in the corner of her eye and she is still using it so oviously likes it, a horse at work had a huge one on the inside of his back leg and the vet gaves us blood root ointment which after a couple of months it just dropped clean off and you wouldnt even know it was there.

 

[Steeleydan]

Just a suggestion, but on that big one why dont you band it with a lamb band or tie plaiting thread round it very tight, and still put the Liverpool cream on it this will cut off all blood supply. A friend of mine had a horse with a sarcoid the size of an orange sort of under its arm pit(excuse term) she didnt have the money for Liverpool cream and he wasnt insured, so an old farmer guy put a lamb band on it and after a month it shriveled up and eventually dropped off, so far its not come back. Worth a try for nothing

 

[spacefaer]

I had a mare with a platelet sarcoid on her neck - just a thickened rough patch) about 2" across. I gave her liquid aloe vera (the forever living drink) and it vanished within a month.

Had another mare with one just in front of her teats - like a cylindrical pyramid - tried thuja (which didn't seem to have any effect). Gave her Sarc-ex which seemed to make it contract. I have posted on this before and got shouted down big time - all I can say is that it worked! It made the sarcoid angry and then it fell off - was camrosa.

Didn't try the Liverpool - not insured - friend has used colloidal silver with success on small facial sarcoids. I think different sarcoids react to different treatments but the only things I know work are the aloe and the camrosa.

Best of luck with yours

 

[katie_and_toto]

Toto had bloodroot ointment, it was fantastic and his sarcoid dropped off fairly quickly and hasn't come back

 

[DiamondSR]

Thanks so much everyone. My vet had mentioned bloodroot as well so I think I will get a pot of that from her (he has a few warts on his sheath that she said we could treat with it - and yes, before you ask, I do have the lumpiest horse in history!)

 

[katie_and_toto]

Toto's sarcoid was in a unusual place, on his hindquarters! All he has now is a small bald patch about the size of a 10 pence piece where there's like a flat scab, but the sarcoid has not come back after 2 years

If you do get bloodroot, make sure you wear gloves to apply it

It's a funny colour, I hope you don't mind having a bright orange horse!

 

[burtie]

My mare was treated with Liverpool cream as a 4 year old and all her sarcoids went. Sadly they returned a few years later and a number of treatments were tried over the next few years with no success. We did go back eventually for a second course of liverpool cream but were aware it may not work due to her having been treated before. Sadly it didn't work either.

 

[canteron]

On vet advice my horse's sarcoids have been frozen off with liquid nitrogen. This apparently 'freezes' the sarcoids at something ridiculous like - 200 C and I am still waiting to see if it has worked on my boy (it was 3 weeks ago).

Interestingly, he said that he had not had a lot of success in the past with Liverpool Cream, although that is not to say it doesn't work. However in the past he has had student vets from Liverpool and apparently if your horse actually goes to the Liverpool vet school and they assess that it is deep rooted they sometimes use really intensive treatment (like injecting it) which might explain the situation in your case if the top has dropped off but the core is still active?

 

[AML]

Admittedly the sarcoids this horse has, had been "interfered" with - don't get me started on that one- before using the Liverpool Cream. The cream didn't work so the sarcoids were lasered off and a second course of cream was applied on the worst of them. Touch wood this seems to be working, although healing is slow, but then they were massive craters left from the lasering.

 

[cundlegreen]

Have you tried Thuja tincture which you give internally as well as externally rubbed in? PM me if you want the firms details that supply it. I've known several success stories using this method.

 

[beckieswann]

Castor Oil! Works a treat! Rub onto the sarcoid twice a day and it slowly but surely gets rid of them!

 

[My_chestnut_mare]

I have heard that tee tree oil works.

I was going to do a swap a while ago with an other horse but it fell thro but any way the ladys horse had a sarcoid and she used tee tree oli and it vanished.

 

[sywell]

Bazooka from the chemists always works for us. Extra strength. Vet said them would come back but the did not

 

[Passtheshampoo]

My mare had LC applied by my vet in May and she's so far only 2 of her scabs have fallen off. She still had about half a dozen which seem stuck on to her but loose around the edges. My vet is calling again on Friday to have a look. My insurance claim runs until March 2010 too so I'll go with whatever Prof K suggests as the next course of action. I do think there is something to be said about sarcoids being related to low immunity. Is it a bit like coldsores in humans??? Once I've had all the treatment I can have via insurance I'm not sure what I'll do if she still has them. Will probably go down a more homeopathic route then due to the cost.

 

[JanetGeorge]

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Anyone had any experiences of Liverpool Cream NOT working (I only seem to read stories of great success!) and any other recommendations for alternative treatments?

My boy has had 2 courses of LC treatment on his big sarcoid, and 1 course of treatment on a tiny one we discovered more recently. The big one has definitely decreased in size but is still hanging on, and the scab came off the tiny one the other day and it looks no different!

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I've had more than my fair share of sarcoids in the past few years - mainly on some Irish horses I imported! One was successfully treated with Liverpool cream for a patch of sarcoids on his neck - then had one banded AND frozen successfully.

Another had a large sarcoid on his chest (LC worked) and a couple of even bigger ones on the girth area - all but one resolved with LC - the remaining one needed a second treatment with a 'harsher' protocol. That resulted in a HUGE scab that hung on for months - but it's just come away and the sarcoid is completely gone. Apparently, the longer the scab hangs on, the better in terms of the sarcoid being completely GONE! He also had two in the stifle area which were suitable for banding - they were frozen as well - and THAT worked!

My latest is a youngster who had a small cut on the inside of lower hind leg - it went proud despite best efforts of vet - was trimmed - and went beserk! Now confirmed as an agressive sarcoid and double the size it was - and has just started treatment. I suspect it will need two lots of treatment.

I would always go back to Prof. DK if the first LC treatment didn't work - faffing around with various remedies is UNLIKELY to shift them (of course, chances are that if they DO work in the first week, it's actually the LC that 'nuked' them and it was just remaining scab that needed shifting!

Soe sarcoids DO resolve without treatment (which means if they've been 'treated' with a hoe remedy that gets the 'result'!! And some sarcoids AREN'T sarcoids!

 

[burtie]

Sadlly my mare was PTS this spring, her sarcoids were many in number and on her face(and loads elsewhere) spreading internally, effected her temperament in the end.