Guess the breed!

[amycov]

This is my rising four year old mare Chance. Have told she deffinatly has welsh D in her, but is believed to be a cross. This is not definate but she for sure has some welsh as you can see from the pics. Any ideas if she looks full D, or what she may be crossed with?

 

[BobbyMondeo]

Im no good at breeding really , but deff has Welsh D in her.
Just wanted to say please get 2 reins on that bit!

 

[Pixxie]

she looks similar to mine so maybe connie???

thanks for the fish comment btw made me smile

but yes currently i want that fish, but i should grrr at him

silly floppy fish hehe sorry insult in that area is needed
x

 

[Silverspring]

Page 2 what more can I say

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4064665/page/0/fpart/2/vc/1

Heinz 57 - owners wear very thick glasses after ruining their eyesight from trawling through every breed book/directory/website trying to identify what breed their horse's ears could be...

 

[Lippyx]

Defo Welsh in her. Maybe x'd with a Heinz 57.
Can I say.... PLEASE put a snaffle in her mouth! Why are you riding a rising 4 year old in a GAG!!!!

She is very sweet looking BTW!!

 

[Sarahgema]

Def welsh - maybe pure - there is one at our yard double of her, I dont know much about it apart from shes a full welsh aswell!

 

[The Original Kao]

She's cute and def looks like she has a bit of Welsh D in her.

On another note, can you please put martingale stops on your reins, if you don't already have them. Can't see any in your pics.

 

[SirenaXVI]

Pos got a bit of D in her, but more like a Heinz 57.

Can I just ask why you are riding something not yet 4 not only in a gag (especially on only one rein) but also a martingale? That is a sure fire way to ruin a very soft baby mouth

 

[Hippona]

Love the pony

.....hate the tack (sorry...personal preference, but daughter has so much pink she is probably visible from space, think thats put me off pink for life!

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She's gorgeous...agree with the Welshie- D- sadly you will never know for sure, in same situation with OH's mare...God knows what she is.....

 

[niagaraduval]

Agree about the bit, sorry. Nice pony though and adore all the purple. I want that bridle and martingale for mister ned!

 

[ester]

don't think pure, prob nf or connie or just a mix

please get some martingale stops.

 

[amycov]

Did have martingale stops, but she managed to yank her head down and stand on the reins somehow, and rip them off in the morning. she has another set on now.

 

[SirenaXVI]

Actually, the more I look at this picture, the more upset I become - this is a baby horse - not yet 4 and you are riding it in a VERY severe bit, one that should ALWAYS be used with two reins, with a running martingale and no stops. I really don't wish to offend but who on earth told you to put a youngster in that? I did read back through some of your posts, specifically the one about not doing what experienced people said, and I agree that some 'experienced' people can be very wrong, but I am sorry, the fact that you are prepared to put a BABY in tack that you obviously don't really know how to use tells me that maybe they were right.

Please give your lovely pony a good start, take OFF the gag and the martingale, invest in a full cheek french link if steering is an issue, you will have a happier, healthier youngster for longer that way.

 

[jennyava]

"invest in a full cheek french link if steering is an issue"

Agreed, all our younger horses have these! and at rising 4 some of our are still in rubber snaffles

 

[amc]

Please amycov take that bit off that pony, I cannot think of any reason that a bit that severe should be used on one so young, also please take off the martingale, as suggested by Sirena try pony in a french link, you might be pleasantly surprised at how much better she will be in it, try it and let us know how pony goes, please,

 

[JM07]

You also need to stop sitting on the base of your arse as by doing so, your mare will get a very sore back.

oh, and a martingale stop and rein stops wouldn't go amiss either.......as for that bit on a 3 yr old....shocking IMO.

 

[amycov]

JM07, it is not me riding her. She was put in that bit as she had a bad phase of bolting and just being naughty. Not that I'm saying bolting is being naughty, as she only did it when nervous. She has improved alot in that bit. Was previously in a full cheek and that was useless. It was not a french link. I shall be considering getting a french link hanging cheek. As this is slightly stronger than a plain snaffle, yet not as harsh as the gag. I did and do have me reasons for having her in it. And she has been going nicely.

 

[JM07]

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JM07, it is not me riding her. She was put in that bit as she had a bad phase of bolting and just being naughty. Not that I'm saying bolting is being naughty, as she only did it when nervous. She has improved alot in that bit. Was previously in a full cheek and that was useless. It was not a french link. I shall be considering getting a french link hanging cheek. As this is slightly stronger than a plain snaffle, yet not as harsh as the gag. I did and do have me reasons for having her in it. And she has been going nicely.

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If I could be bothered, i would write a detailed answer to all the points raised in your reply..as there are clearly "issues".

 

[EquestrianFairy]

Def some form of welsh in her!

Im not going to comment on the bit as ive never had to use anything thats stronger than a snaffle myself.

However- Eeekkk at the tack! lol.
Brave girl!

 

[annaellie]

QR She is 3 years old, she is going to do naughty things as you say though its prob not naughtiness just confusion putting her in a gag will only make her worse. Is there anybody who you could have lessons off or give you advice she looks a nice mare and if you put strong bits in her they will eventually need to get stronger and stronger till at some point her mouth will be so hard the bit will be of no benfit at all.
IMO people on here are only trying to help get the best out of her for you and we can all do with some advice and help no matter how experanced we are.

 

[Hippona]

I have usually found that with a youngster, the milder the better.....our 4 year old was in a jointed snaffle when we got him....cue lots of avoidance issues.....he went much better in a plain bar snaffle, but his fat tongue was getting squashed, so I now have him in a Cambridge ported snaffle.....sorted.

No head up-and- down, no avoiding the contact.....mild enough for my daughter to do no damage.....

A 3 year old isnt naughty, just confused....IMO a harsh bit and martingale is not solving the issue....you need to look at why she is doing what she doing and work with her, not just move up to stronger and stronger bits/equipment.....that just shows lack of knowledge and empathy....sorry to sound harsh, I just see a nice looking pony potentially being spoiled.....

 

[amycov]

bally_boo_ thankyou for being kinder than alot of people. I know they mean well but they can come across a little nasty sometimes!

 

[Hippona]

OP....sorry, I didn't mean to sound harsh....I'm at work typing quickly so as not to get discovered on HHO....

 

[pinkcatkin]

Amycov, if you know as much as you think you do, you would not have shown that photo of your rising 3 youngster in a gag and what appears to be a too-heavy rider for her sitting in an unsympathetic position. You would have been too ashamed to do so.

Please take some good advice, a lot of which is already on this thread, and think again about how you are dealing with this youngster.

 

[SirenaXVI]

As I said, I meant no offence, and I certainly was not being nasty, just very concerned that a nice young horse is getting the wrong start. As bally_boo said, a stronger bit (especially used wrongly) is not the way to go with a youngster, they do get confused and they need firm but fair guidance, it would really pay you to get help from someone who has had experience of bringing on youngsters, what you do now will affect this little mare for the rest of her life. I have no doubt that you love her and want the best for her, so please, get some proper help with her.

 

[amycov]

pinkweasel, the rider is not too heavy for her. I think it's just an unfortunate pic.

 

[pinkcatkin]

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pinkweasel, the rider is not too heavy for her. I think it's just an unfortunate pic.

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So you are obviously an expert.

Have you taken in anything that people have said? I hope so. I don't mean to rude I really dont, we all have this little mare's interest at heart, that is all.

 

[annaellie]

Youngsters are hard work but with the right help you will get there, when I younger and a novice we were sold a 4 yr old and I had no idea what the hell I was doing or my mum and sadly I feel I ruined that pony that was 19 yrs ago and have since learned to take advice and help and I look back now and HHO would have been a great help if it was around then. Even now after 19yrs of horses and going to equine college and working on yards I still like help and do not mind people giving me some advice.

 

[SirenaXVI]

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pinkweasel, the rider is not too heavy for her. I think it's just an unfortunate pic.

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So you are obviously an expert.

Have you taken in anything that people have said? I hope so. I don't mean to rude I really dont, we all have this little mare's interest at heart, that is all.

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I did not mean to be rude either, seems we are all banging our heads on a brick wall, this has really upset me, poor little mare

 

[Lippyx]

Amycov, please don't take affence of what has been said on here. We all read so many posts of people saying they are having controlling issues with their 10 yr old etc, and it mainly comes down to a bad start in teaching manners as a baby!
My 5 yr old mare was ridden in a D ring jointed snaffle, which to most would be fine, but I like nothing more than a plain old Happy Mouth in their mouth to start with. You can always go up a bit, but rarely can you come down. She is ridden in a Straight bar Happy Mouth, and she is so light in the hands.

As for the bolting issues, take her back to basics, and just do walk halt, walk trot, walk halt transitions. I found with a bolting young pony I use to school, that when she bolted, I would make her carry on cantering until I told her to stop, and not when she wanted to. This soon stopped her from bolting!!!