H&H WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!

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Chambon

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Shame on you Horse and Hound magazine. I thought you were a reputable, reliable, well informed magazine, but what did I find when I opened today's magazine for a quick browse?

An article featuring an ALBINO stallion
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Doesn't he look a bit like this one?
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This is my CREMELLO mare!

Don't you guys at H&H HQ know that there is no such thing as albinism in equines? The horse in the article is a cremello, and this article just goes to damage their reputation that little bit further by calling them albinos.

Horse and Hound, I am very disappointed..... (trots off to send letter to editor)
 
Oh dear Chambon! I can see why you'd be upset.

I always thought Cremello was just a double dilute of the palamino gene? (two palamino's put together) Hence why a cremello to a Chestnut will always result in a palamino baby and why Cremello's have a very valued place when wishing to breed palamino stock.
 
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Sorry, yes I know palaminos are a cross between a red and a cream gene. Hence why I always thought chesnuts (red) and cremellos (Cream) would always give you a palamino as the cremello, as you say has two cream genes.

Two palaminos that come together has a one in four chance does it not or breeding a cremello....or so I thought. Is that true?

I know palamino is a colour, not a gene. Confuddled words. Oh heck, I'm wafflning!
 
Don't worry, I can waffle on for ever about genetics, colours, coats etc!
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Palomino to a palomino gives a 50% chance of a palomino, 25% of a chestnut and 25% chance of a cremello.

Pssssst..... Cremello to Chestnut is 100% guaranteed palomino.... we are expecting our first Palomino Bambino very soon and I am absolutely beside myself with excitement!
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Right, I shall probaby get moaned at, but I do sometimes wonder people on this forum have set themselves up as the H&H police. I have this mental picture of them rushing to get the magazine each Thursday, then going through it, looking for things they can moan about on here and write cross letters to the magazine about.
I can just hear them moaning: "Oh my goodness. Someone's called a Suffolk Punch chestnut and their colour is actually chesnut. This is disgusting. I must put a post on the forum telling the Editor to ask them all to leave their jobs immediately."

I've just looked through today's mag and there's no article about an albino stallion -- but there is a really interersting, fun one about a holiday on Morocco.

I think you should give the poor girl a break, but that's just my opinion.
 
I'm sorry, it is just me - but I thought that as the UK's leading equestrian magazine they had some sort of responsibility for getting their facts straight? I don't rush to get the magazine in order to pour over it to find their mistakes - I have a life - however did you see the towing feature? They made some very dangerous recommendations regarding suitable towing vehicles - factual errors need to be pointed out as in this case it could have been very dangerous.

Mistakes are made, but it has been noticed (and discussed on here previously) that recently there have been more and more errors appearing in print in H&H. We buy or subscribe to the magazine therefore we are their customers - and have a right to express an opinion about the service or the product.
 
But it's just the holier than thou attitude of some of the posts that really makes me cringe.

I wouldn't dream of being so rude about people I don't even know -- but there again, I'm not perfect either.
 
I don't think it's a case of people reading it looking for mistakes but if it is a subject or in this case an area of equestrianism you feel very strongly about or are closely involved in then mistakes like this do stick out like a sore thumb. In a non-equestrian publication things like this may well be overlooked but H&H is supposed to be one of the leading equestrian magazines so they really should get it right.
 
That must be what I'd heard....the cremello to a chestnut giving you the palamino, hence my previous reply.

Waffle away....it fascinates me!

Is it a cream colour gene mixed with a bay that gives us a dun?
 
I didn't see anything rude in Chambon's post
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.......and she does have a point doesn't she? The worlds TOP horse magazine getting facts about horses .....wrong!

Not very professional to me sorry, and if I made mistakes like this in my business then I would expect to lose custom and credibility I'm afraid.
 
Who was being rude? Is it rude to point out inaccuracies? I don't think Chambon was being rude or holier than thou. If H&H continue to make factual errors it will lose it's credibility - sure they don't want that to happen any more than we do.
 
Holier than thou?

You are kidding I take it?

I have better things to do with my life than list all of H&H's mistakes... however, the subject of Cremello's being wrongly identified as albinos is a subject very close to my heart and when I see Britain's most top horsey magazine making such a public error I feel compelled to rant. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and that is mine! I am constantly campaigning to raise the profile of double dilute horses and a mistake like this has a detrimental effect.

I am sick and tired of people poo pooing my horses and calling them inferior albinos when they are very well bred, and very rare cremellos.

The next person who looks down their nose at me at a show and says "is your albino blind?" is likely to get a more than a mouthful
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I don't ever rant on here, or lose my temper, but saying that I am 'holier than thou' I take as a personal insult, and this is a subject that has now wound me up into a tight spring. I'm going before it pings.
 
All I'm trying to say is that there are ways and WAYS to point out mistakes. Thank the lord, our own mistakes -- and yes, we all do make them -- are not discuseed at length on a forum. I just think it's unkind to single someone out.

I'm not an expert on colour genetics, which you all are, (I don't understand one bit of all that stuff about crosses making something palomino or albino) but why not deal with the terrible mistake that has made you all want your money back in the following way?

Instead of posting something scathing, why not say something like:

Did you see the piece about the Moroccan holiday in H&H this week. It looks as though the girl who wrote it was told the Barb stallion she was given to ride was a rare albino, but from the photo he looks more like a cremello to me.

Then you're getting your point over that you know better than the girl at H&H without trying to put her down.
 
DD - that was exactly what I was going to type
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If I make a mistake doing my job - the job I get paid for - I expect to get told about it - and it is unlikely to be in tiptoe tiptoe nicely done way either. I get paid to do a job and do it well - end of. I would expect to get pulled up if I got it wrong - that is life.
 
We used to have a cremello, we bought her at stow fair and you could tell she had had a rough upbringing as if anyone walked past with a can of beer she would run them down to get it. She loved beer, such a pikey pony
 
Don't go!!!! There's a Cremello Society, are you registered? Friend of mine runs it.

Even if people don't like Cremellos, people should at least appreciate their part in the breeding programme for the much admired palaminos. I've seen Cremellos I don't like and ones I do. I think I judge them more on the build. One I saw really didn't "suit" the colouring but I can't explain how I mean that!

However, I'm already biased as I adore blue eyes! Patches has blue eyes with pink skin around one of them as she's a pink and black skinned grey - or blue and white. Alot of people don't like her pink "pig eye" as I've heard it called! Offends the heck out of me too!

It is a mistake and to term them as an albino makes them sound like a freak of nature which is completely untrue. I totally understand your frustration.
 
Good grief no.

I'm just one of those silly people who has to speak out if I think something's unkind.

What has made me sad is that because I have a different opinion to others I'm immediately branded one of the "enemy".

Oh well. That's life I suppose
 
TT - noone has branded you the 'enemy' as you put it - but in fairness you did brand Chambon as 'rude' and 'holier than thou'
We are just having a discussion - if you can't take the heat and all that.....
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Er yes - if my job was to write articles for Horse and Hound and I made a glaring error - I would deserve to be corrected. As this is the HHO forum I would expect it to be raised on here. At the same time if I wrote a great article I would hope that the forum members would mention it because it was good / or they enjoyed it. That frequently happens too. Healthy debate - that's all it is.
 
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