Hackamore and Bit Combination

[xDENISEx]

Can anyone suggest any ideas for me on how to create this? My horse is 15h Arab and I normally Jump him in a hackamore but steering is a issue so i normally just put a bit in him althou he is a very sensitive horse so looking to combine a bit and a hackmore. I have seen this done with a german hackamore and a bit but not to sure, any tips? Thank you.

 

[YasandCrystal]

Yes get a kineton noseband, which works on nose pressure and comes into play when the horse is really strong. You still use a bit.

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100703140249AAbmQQD

 

[Spotsrock]

I use a kineton and waterford on my wrecked horse to keep us safe while I re-school. Have also used a hackamore/bit combo using a double bridle adaptor headpiece and pelham roundings. Seen it used at high levels but didn't like it personally.

 

[xDENISEx]

is the kineton noseband strong, his so sensitive its unreal x

 

[Tickles]

Hate to say it but... flat work lessons!

Arabs are, in general, bright, imaginiative and, like yours, sensitive, animals. They can have a lot of stamina (so you may need to hack/school to use some of it before you jump) but you should be able to acheive the steering with just the hackamore and your legs

 

[xDENISEx]

The steering when i say "Issue" it isnt until we get in to jump off when we do tight turns, its a struggle and sometimes gets too strong but with a bit he isnt happy when you apply pressure. His Flatwork is perfect and so is his schooling its just a case of finding something which suits hims showjumping and also suits me. I heard and seen a german hackamore being used with a bit and i just wondered of anyone else has tried this and the results etc before a but and try x

 

[YasandCrystal]

is the kineton noseband strong, his so sensitive its unreal x

If you read the link to the article I posted it says it's not strong. And it stops the bit being pulled too hard too

 

[YasandCrystal]

. I heard and seen a german hackamore being used with a bit and i just wondered of anyone else has tried this and the results etc before a but and try x

Now that would be severe imo.

 

[TigerTail]

You could try a cavesson such as this http://academicartofriding.com/webshop/cavesson/

with a bridle on top and primarily use the reins off the cavesson but have a second pair for the bit - however in jumping this would depend very much on your confidence in your hands.

A friend of mine does dressage in that set up, it works beautifully as 95% of the time shes using the cavesson but for that little extra lift she has the curb rein on the pelham.

 

[xDENISEx]

I am very confident on him in anything, jumping wise he jumps and completes at about 3ft3 upwards. The Kineton noseband to me looks alright but I am not to sure. Yeah have heard that the German hackamore with a bit could be strong but then so is the English one ridden in the wrong hands, I am very experienced riding in that type if bit. I think its a trail and error, the Mylar bit does a combination but to be fair it just looks to strong. I dont know really his a nightmare with bits in his mouth

 

[zoon]

I used a german hackamore and a snaffle on mine - the hackamore is on a sliphead under the headpiece.

 

[xDENISEx]

Do you???? How you find it??? see I was thinking that maybe this would be worth a try and using a pelham rounding to attached the two instead of having 2 sets of reins

 

[xDENISEx]

or can i use a English hackamore and a bit?

 

[sjp1]

They say that the Myler combination is not strong - because it disperses the pressure points around the head, and I think you can get it with several different mouthpieces.

Nightmare bitting - have my own issues going on as well!

 

[xDENISEx]

The only thing i dont like the look of is the fact that the shakes are quite long (i know they are on a hackamore) but when a hackamore is used alone it uses poll pressure and off the nose, but the myler looks like it uses the same pressure but also on the mouth (long shakes), i know he will chuck his head up as soon as that comes into action, thats why i was thinking of the snaffle alone with hackamore so as to not create the effect of having a 3 ring gag in his mouth with added nose pressure, not sure if that makes sense but i know what i mean lol

 

[Enfys]

The only bit an arab of mine liked/listened to/respected was a long shank Myler combination, I used it with double reins.

When he wasn't at parties he was quite happy in his clunky old English style hackamore.