Has any one seen this bit before?

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I have started riding a friends horse for her because she has to many and has decided to sell this one, she has a strange bit that someone has told me is a Liverpool driving bit but I have searched up Liverpool driving bits and they look different to this one.
The reason I ask is she seemed very reluctant to want to go forward and was extremely sensitive in her mouth,this week I am hoping to change her bit.

Thanks.
http://s1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/Teamcolouredcobs/?action=view&current=No.jpg
 
Iv got a Liverpool driving bit, they look simular but the Liverpool dosent have the bend from the ring.
The Liverpool bit is harsh so I'd say this is extremely harsh! Possibly a driving bit which I would recommend not riding in!!

Hope owner let's u change it ASAP!!
 
It's a Universal, a type of pelham, so should be used with curbchain and double reins to give the right action.
Used with roundings like in the photo the leverage part of the bit is always 'switched on' and there will be poll pressure too.
 
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Looks like a harsh bit the owner has said I can change her tack so might take a few bits down and try them on her was thinking about putting a waterford bit on her so its a bit kinder.
Thanks for the help :)
 
It's a Universal, a type of pelham, so should be used with curbchain and double reins to give the right action.
Used with roundings like in the photo the leverage part of the bit is always 'switched on' and there will be poll pressure too.
thank you Is this bit stronger than a Liverpool driving bit then?
 
Looks like an army reversible to me. Popular on the cavalry horses in WW1.

Needs a curb chain and two reins to be used 'correctly' but IMHO no harsher than a correctly fitted pelham.

In the picture it doesn't have a curb chain. To be honest, if I was going to play around with tack, and you say the horse doesn't want to go forward, I would just remove the roundings, leave off the curb and fit the reins to the ring by the mouthpiece and see how she goes from there. That will give you an idea of how she responds to a bit without curb or poll pressure.
 
Looks like an army reversible to me. Popular on the cavalry horses in WW1.

Needs a curb chain and two reins to be used 'correctly' but IMHO no harsher than a correctly fitted pelham.

In the picture it doesn't have a curb chain. To be honest, if I was going to play around with tack, and you say the horse doesn't want to go forward, I would just remove the roundings, leave off the curb and fit the reins to the ring by the mouthpiece and see how she goes from there. That will give you an idea of how she responds to a bit without curb or poll pressure.
Her owner was going on about an army bit but I was riding so it was difficult to concentrate and talk about army bits.
I know the horse is used to having a pelham because she has been in working hunter and other showing classes to a fairly good standard.
 
Its a driving bit, they normally have one smooth side and one rough side on the mouth piece hence the reversible in the name.

If you want to play with her tack I would first check that the smooth side is towards her mouth and then either put a second set of reins instead of the roundings or move the roundings up a slot and see what shes like.
 
As said, it is a military reversible aka universal, and probably half a dozen others as well.

Used by the military as it was quite adaptable - rough side/smooth side/various rein settings

Excellent bit, I was furious when some toe rag stole mine.
 
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This an Army "Universal" bit, designed in the First World War when vast numbers of unbroken horses were imported from Australia and the USA for use on the Western Front, It was so designed that it could be used in different position , reversed, with reins in diffent slots etc. and proved exceptional efficient, hence it is stll around. It was mainly used at the many remount depots which sprang up to cope with the influx of several millions of young horses arriving by ship.
 
I have started riding a friends horse for her because she has to many and has decided to sell this one, she has a strange bit that someone has told me is a Liverpool driving bit but I have searched up Liverpool driving bits and they look different to this one.
The reason I ask is she seemed very reluctant to want to go forward and was extremely sensitive in her mouth,this week I am hoping to change her bit.

Thanks.
http://s1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/Teamcolouredcobs/?action=view&current=No.jpg

Blooming heck! That grackle is so tight it's a wonder she can breath. Sorry, but I think fitting tight flashes and grackles is so cruel. If she opens her mouth then get a drop noseband as they don't lie against the nostril line when fitted correctly. As for the bit, it has quite a thin mouthpiece and it will be acting like a Dutch gag (no curb chain fitted).
 
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Blooming heck! That grackle is so tight it's a wonder she can breath. Sorry, but I think fitting tight flashes and grackles is so cruel. If she opens her mouth then get a drop noseband as they don't lie against the nostril line when fitted correctly. As for the bit, it has quite a thin mouthpiece and it will be acting like a Dutch gag (no curb chain fitted).
The grackle Wasn't to tight I could get two fingers in there but I am taking a different bridle and bit down tomorrow because I'm not a fan on strapping them down all of mine are in plain snaffles with no added extras.
 
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