Has anyone bought an Andalusian from Spain?

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Hi, I'm new so please forgive me if this has been asked before. I'm considering purchasing an Andalusian horse from Spain. I wanted to ask for other peoples experiences and also if any one has experience of using the Andalusian horse direct websites please would you PM me to let me know what you thought? I hope this is OK, many thanks.
 

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I have bought many, it is where I am from
I also imported one to the UK that I bought from a dealer friend over there. I have never used any of the companies set up to do these trades, I find most of them incredibly overpriced if I am honest.
 

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I think its 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other really. There are more over here in UK now than there used to be so some prices over here are not over inflated and stupidly high. In some cases tho you will find a dealer over here offering quality PRE for 12 grand (£) when they prob imported the horse for 8/9 thousand Euros. On another note though, I used to know a dealer that imported quite a lot from Spain and if she went over there on a buying trip she would for example choose say 12 to import and and a very high percentage of these would fail vettings based mainly on x-rays so if you are going over there to buy, please beware.

Good look tho with your search. I have an Andalusian who is simply perfect and a Spanish-Norman (Andalusian x Percheron). Andalusians are fantastic if you get a good one!
 

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Just out of interest, why do you want to buy one from Spain?

There seem to be quite alot of Andalucians available in this country, is it because it will be cheaper to buy one out there and import it yourself?

Or are the ones in this country not quite what you are looking for?
 

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Sort of; 4 on our yard came over from Spain. My chap came from a dealer who specialises in it, but he was already in this country, so I only had to travel for an hour to go and try him out and I also didn't risk him getting injured on the journey over and ending up with a pasture ornament.
Have you looked on the BAPSH website? They have some listed on there.
I bought my chap through http://www.spanishhorsesuk.com and they usually have some over in this country all the time so worth asking.
Remember they're still dealers so all dealer caveats still apply, go with your eyes wide open and let your head rule your heart.
 

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Friend of mine got one just over a year ago. Went to Spain on Holiday saw a 3 year old mare he liked got her shipped over I thought he was absolutly bonkers but they appear to be doing vey well.
 

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Is it a PRE or an unpapered Andalusian you are after? If a PRE expect to pay more. Unless you know what you are doing and have contacts in spain, be very careful as lots of people end up being stung and find themselves with a horse who is 'Andalusian' but does not have PRE papers.

I have bought in England and also have a Spanish import, the Spanish import was actually more expensive than those bought in England, however I would have no hesitation in recommending Spanish Horses UK which is where my import came from.
 

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I have bought many, it is where I am from
I also imported one to the UK that I bought from a dealer friend over there. I have never used any of the companies set up to do these trades, I find most of them incredibly overpriced if I am honest.

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To be fair though Louise, the one you imported did not have PRE papers, and, although he was a lovely boy he would naturally be less expensive.

I do agree though that some of the sites that advertise are vastly overpriced and I have seen some that cost upwards of £75,000 which I would not have given you 50p for. You can pick up proper papered PREs for around £5 - £10k in Spain or the UK depending on the age and experience.
 
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Hi there

I also imported my Andalusian but I got him from a dealer in France, www.equiberique.com. I flew over there to see him and they were most helpful and friendly. They were a bit more 'spit and sawdust' than most of the dealers you see advertised but the horses were all well looked after and happy. I've had Amaranth nearly 6 years now and whilst being the most expensive (and still reasonably priced!) thing I've ever bought he is also the best. Except of course for the bargain Andalusian colt I picked up for 1700 quid in H & H also nearly 6 years ago aka Haizum aka The H Bomb!
 

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Sirena where did I say that Chico was a PRE?! I didn't pay anywhere near what he would have been worth had he been papered - his sire was award winning and PRE as was his mother - had he been papered he would have been 5 figures and not 4 - I am not complaining, LOL, but that is by the by - the OP asked a question and I answered.

I will also absolutely stand by my statement that a lot of the *dealers* who advertise horses to the UK market from Spain are vastly overpriced, and would cost a Spaniard half of what they are trying to flog them to the Brits for. I have been involved in buying 2 horses for a woman over here and because I got a Spanish contact to do the negotiating with the woman (who advertises in the UK, and from where the woman I am talking about had seen the horses) and they were secured for half of their UK advertised rate.

PRE, not PRE, some people just want a pretty horse and they are stung for it. There are plenty for sale in the UK and I would certainly urge any newbie Andy owner to look here first as they will already be climatised, etc....some never settle overly well unfortunately.
 

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Sirena where did I say that Chico was a PRE?! I didn't pay anywhere near what he would have been worth had he been papered - his sire was award winning and PRE as was his mother - had he been papered he would have been 5 figures and not 4 - I am not complaining, LOL, but that is by the by - the OP asked a question and I answered.
<font color="blue"> You didn't and I did not say you did, I was merely pointing out that because he was sans papers, he would have been cheaper than a PRE. You and I both know that there are people who have paid PRE prices for an unpapered horse and THAT is what I was referring to </font>




I will also absolutely stand by my statement that a lot of the *dealers* who advertise horses to the UK market from Spain are vastly overpriced, and would cost a Spaniard half of what they are trying to flog them to the Brits for. I have been involved in buying 2 horses for a woman over here and because I got a Spanish contact to do the negotiating with the woman (who advertises in the UK, and from where the woman I am talking about had seen the horses) and they were secured for half of their UK advertised rate.
<font color="blue"> Again I agree with you which is why I have always stated, that unless you have contacts, buying from abroad is a minefield </font>




PRE, not PRE, some people just want a pretty horse and they are stung for it. There are plenty for sale in the UK and I would certainly urge any newbie Andy owner to look here first as they will already be climatised, etc....some never settle overly well unfortunately.

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<font color="blue"> Again I agree, some people just want a pretty horse, but I have lost count of the number of people who have paid over the top for a pretty horse - they then try to get it registered over here and find that they cannot do so. I have known people pay over 10k sterling for unpapered spanish horses, sadly I have know a couple who it has not worked out for, they were shocked to discover just how little their horse was worth on the open market in the UK. TBH you can buy unpapered pretty horses in spain for less than 5000 EU and if that is what you want I say go for it. There are several 'Andalusians' for sale in the UK and most are between £2-3K, for someone who just wants to have fun they are great.

The OP is obviously wanting a spanish horse whether PRE or not, I was merely pointing out the pitfalls and did not want to see her spending a fortune on an unpapered horse</font>
 

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Thanks for all your comments everyone, it has thrown up some more questions for me.

I have been looking in the UK but there just isn't what I'm after. I have seen a particular horse I'm interested in, he is non papered as he is one of the more unusual colours.

Sirena, May I ask what problems have the other people had, is it impossible to get a non papered Andalusian registered with the BAPSH in the UK?
 

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Sadly it is generally impossible to get an unpapered horse registered with BAPSH, there used to be a Register 4 which was for horses of a spanish type, but that has now been discontinued. Bear in mind that if you do buy unpapered your horse will not be eligible to enter any classes etc for Iberians, any offspring would not be eligible for entry into the stud books. The other thing to remember is that sometimes people breed from PREs who have failed their grading, those offspring are not papered. Horses only fail their grading if there is something seriously awry with the conformation.

You may be interested to know that there are more and more horses of 'colour' available and several of them are in the UK - one, recently imported chap is standing in Hampshire and is a rabicano Comico IV, he has been in the UK for a couple of weeks now and will have babies on the ground next year, Metano II is another one - he actually belongs to Star Andalusians but is standing at Gazaro, Metano has babies due this year. There are other studs which have 'colour' babies already, I will get some links for you.

http://www.gazaro.co.uk/
Rabacino /Dun/Bays

http://starandalusiansprestud.com/default.aspx
Duns/Bays/Buckskin/Black

http://www.jayem-andalusian.co.uk/
Bays and now chestnut - they have just imported a super chestnut stallion

Tbh the buckskins and duns go for silly money, as, I suspect will any Rabacinos, however you can get bays, blacks fairly cheaply, chestnuts a little more expensive but not as much as the buckskins etc.

Star Andalusians have some really super partbreds for sale, all bay and by their stallion Lengueto (I have used him on one of my mares), I believe they are 2/3 year olds and will be around £2k - they have partbred PRE papers.

Re problems, people often think that the Andalusian is an 'easy' horse, this is because they are so trainable and intelligent. The trouble arises when people don't realise just how sensitive they can be and they also forget that because of their intelligence, they learn bad behaviour just as easily as good.

That said, I would not have anything else


ETS: Sorry re read your post, if someone is telling you that the horse is unpapered because of his colour they are telling you porkies, ALL colours are now accepted into the stud books! Luckily, there are several horses (Comico being one of them) who have been registered as being bay, also the grey gene has 'hidden' several colours, so thankfully, they are still there in the old bloodlines!
 

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Sadly it is generally impossible to get an unpapered horse registered with BAPSH, there used to be a Register 4 which was for horses of a spanish type, but that has now been discontinued.

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When the hell did that happen


I'm a member with a Register 4 horse and haven't heard a thing about it.
The forms and everything are still on their website? http://www.bapsh.co.uk/indexpage.htm
 

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You will be fine, your horse is already on the register, don't worry.

They did close the registry but on checking it looks like they may have re-opened it, you do have to leap through loops now to get a horse on it though and it is much more of a rigmarole than it used to be. NON APTO refers to mares who have either not been put forward for grading, or have failed their grading. A friend of mine has a horse from just this scenario, she has been told by the registrar that the horse will only ever be recognised as a partbred as will any resulting offspring.



ELIGIBILITY FOR REGISTER IV
Mares, Stallions, &amp; Geldings which may be accepted in Registry IV are as follows

1a. Purebred Spanish Horses declared unacceptable for Registration in Register I by the Spanish Studbook Authority

1b. Foals of PRE mares declared NON-APTO whilst carrying their first foal or immediately after the birth of the first foal whilst it is still at foot. NB. If the Non-Apto mare is ever declared APTO (approved for breeding by the Spanish Studbook Authority) then it may be possible to apply for Register I (Purebred) status for her foals if all the essential protocols for PRE registration were followed at their births (see Register I Regulations).

2. Horses of PRE type but without registration papers. Some form of provenance will be required in order to demonstrate that the horse is of Spanish extraction. In situations where PRE Type is in dispute the owner may ask either the Board of Directors to examine the horse and reach a consensus or the horse must be presented to the next Cria Caballar Commision for their opinion.

3. Horses believed to be Partbred Spanish. These horses must exhibit strong PRE breed type characteristics. In situations where PRE Partbred Type is in dispute the owner may ask the Board of Directors to examine the horse and make a decision whether the horse shows evidence of Purebred Spanish blood in its ancestry.
 

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Oh thank you for the quick reply I was having heart palpitations there. Might have just emailed the chair person to check.


Options 3 and 4 don't sound too bad ?.
If you have a foal from a non-apto mare you could still priovde enough proof to get in on Reg 4?
 

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The OP is obviously wanting a spanish horse whether PRE or not, I was merely pointing out the pitfalls and did not want to see her spending a fortune on an unpapered horse</font>

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Indeedy
Sorry, reading back my post it sounded harsh and argumentative and I didn't mean it in that way, I was rushing
And I agree, there are a LOT of horses that are *Andalusians* in their adverts over here that absolutely are not, and yes, I suppose a lot of people are under the misconception that you can register a horse once it is over here, I hadn't thought of that, always assume people go into it with eyes open on that count, assuming makes an ass out of me (not u tho in this case LOL).
 

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Oh thank you for the quick reply I was having heart palpitations there. Might have just emailed the chair person to check.


<font color="blue">LOL - sorry, hope you feel ok now! </font>

Options 3 and 4 don't sound too bad ?.
<font color="blue"> No, they don't SOUND too bad, but believe me it is not as simple as it sounds </font>

If you have a foal from a non-apto mare you could still priovde enough proof to get in on Reg 4?

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<font color="blue"> Yes, as long as the stallion was APTO, although it looks as though they would also be eligible for the partbred registry through the stallion. Tbh I don't really believe that non-apto mares are the best bet for breeding, some fail on height so their basic conformation is sound, but others fail for conformational reasons, and those reasons have to be pretty glaring under the current basic grading protocol.</font>
 
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I have one for possible sale... he was imported from Spain, Mahogany Bay, 16hh, Gelding &amp; a stunning chap who is registered Pure bred with BAPSH.

More than happy to email you some pictures and I have video on my Face Book page.
 
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