Have you ever been tempted to email a breeder re thoughts on continual breeding

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There is a a site in Wales I look on occasionally as they breed horses but I have noticed they are increasing the dog breeding side of things and have a few bitches now. There are always litters of puppies for sale.

They are currently two new litters of cross breed ' designer' dogs
Jack x pug and Jack x poodle.

Its none of my business really and their puppies do seem to sell eventually but there's so many unwanted dogs around and they are clearly only doing it for money, well I assume they are as they are not championing one particular breed, They have Jacks, Labs and Boxers and are now churning out these crossbreeds.

You just feel you want to object in some small way.
 
I have done it on more than one occasion, usually to people churning out GSD pups without any health testing of parents. emails are always ignored. I have also phoned people a couple of times when they have advertised for dogs to mate their bitches too, trying to offer advise re hip testing, one told me to mind my own business but one did seem to take in what I said and maybe I made her think twice, I hope so.
 
There was someone locally on freeads that i noticed as was selling a litter of greyhound pups as pets which is fairly unusual and then over a period of time saw that same person had various breeds of dogs for stud, litters for sale and then the unwanted ex-breeders up for rehome including mum of grey pups. Made me feel so angry though felt it would've been waste of my time sharing my thoughts with the breeder as they clearly didn't care about the dogs, i wasn't really sure if anything more practical could be done and then they stopped advertising anyway.
 
Yes often and the irresponsible owners who don't neuter their animals and let them breed indiscriminantly.

Actually I'd like to do more than email them.
 
Oh yes, I rant to their faces to....we have had our fair share of puppy farmed pups through our rescue, my mam even took part in a programme and had a go at the puppy farms, she got threats after that, she told them basically to *kiss her arse*:D
contact the tax man and arm yourself with all the ads you see, it will help the tax man do their sums;)
 
CAYLA said:
Oh yes, I rant to their faces to....we have had our fair share of puppy farmed pups through our rescue, my mam even took part in a programme and had a go at the puppy farms, she got threats after that, she told them basically to *kiss her arse*:D
contact the tax man and arm yourself with all the ads you see, it will help the tax man do their sums;)
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I think I like your mum:D and I thought the name Chesney was good too.:D
 
2Greys said:
There was someone locally on freeads that i noticed as was selling a litter of greyhound pups as pets which is fairly unusual and then over a period of time saw that same person had various breeds of dogs for stud, litters for sale and then the unwanted ex-breeders up for rehome including mum of grey pups. Made me feel so angry though felt it would've been waste of my time sharing my thoughts with the breeder as they clearly didn't care about the dogs, i wasn't really sure if anything more practical could be done and then they stopped advertising anyway.
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Now ,you see ,on one point I do disagree with most of you.This: my breeding girls are very well cared for,BUT ,if a really nice fireside home comes up ,then yes,they do get rehomed and get so much more than a kennel dog can ever have.
I absolutely do not agree with breeding "designer" mongrels,there is no safety net of rescue for them ,and those sorts of breeders certainly will not take back and rehome their misfits.
It is because I care a Hell of a lot about my girls that I do take the oppotunity for them if an ideal home comes up,it hurts to part with them,and I keep in touch too,but it is best for THEM.Not forgetting ,too,that they are all tattooed ,so track can be kept on them.
Do you all think this is so wrong?:confused:
 
TBH I am uncomfortable with a dog doing it's best and putting pups on the ground and earning money for a human and then being rehomed when it is no longer providing that service. Just my opinion.
 
Mum rehomed a couple of bitches who had retired from breeding, this was when she was well into her 70s and trying to reduce her dogs. One went to a good friend and settled beautifully as if she had been a house dog all her life, the other went to someone who used to walk mums dogs occasionally. The bitch really didn't settle, paced the floor all the time and was very miserable. The new owner and mum mutually decided that mum would have her back after a couple of months, seems she preferred life in a kennel to a rug by the fire.;
I did it once, with a bitch who had one litter but had to have a caesarian and was spayed. It wasn't quite the same scenario, she was adored by some good friends who almost shared her, they took her out several times a week and she often stayed at their house. They moved to Cornwall and were desperate to take her with them, took a lot of soul searching on my part but I did let her go, and never regretted it as she lived a lovely life with beach walks every day.
 
Not quite in the same league as puppy farms etc the lady who bred Toby had had several litters from the same line. When Toby's joints were diagnosed, I did manage to persuade her to get Toby's sister's elbows and hips scored. The hips were fine but the elbow scoring was extremely poor, even though this bitch had never gone lame.

She had all her bitches spayed and stopped breeding from them - a good result :)
 
That's very heartening to hear, RW :)
I know a couple of females, both beautiful movers, who have poor elbow scores, you'd never know to look and why it is always best to score and not leave it to luck!
 
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Now ,you see ,on one point I do disagree with most of you.This: my breeding girls are very well cared for,BUT ,if a really nice fireside home comes up ,then yes,they do get rehomed and get so much more than a kennel dog can ever have.
I absolutely do not agree with breeding "designer" mongrels,there is no safety net of rescue for them ,and those sorts of breeders certainly will not take back and rehome their misfits.
It is because I care a Hell of a lot about my girls that I do take the oppotunity for them if an ideal home comes up,it hurts to part with them,and I keep in touch too,but it is best for THEM.Not forgetting ,too,that they are all tattooed ,so track can be kept on them.
Do you all think this is so wrong?:confused:
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If you are willing to do this for your bitches is it because they are retired from breeding as you only let them have so many litters?

I dont really "understand" dog breeding but if your willing to rehome your dogs, why are you breeding in the first place if actually the bitch is "disposable" to your line of the breed (dont read this as disposable to you, I'm talking to your line and litters not you personally).

Does that make sense? Its just that if you can allow that bitch to leave your line, why breed in the first place, or do I just not really understand breeding??
 
What I am trying to say is,they are not "disposed" of,but to my mind having a great family life is far more reward than being in even the best kennel .Trust me,my girls go to very selected trusted homes,often as a replacement for one before, that also came from me.
Whatever comforts that we can give,it can never be as good as an only dog in her own family.The girls come back for holidays ,and it gives me great joy to see how they slip back into their old routine..and then trot off home without a backwards glance,in effect they have two homes ,two owners ,both of which they greet equally.
Whatever I can give in comfortable housing,great food and fun,my time for each one has to be divided,her own family gives undivided time. They are always spayed before being placed;some bitches here may only have one litter,if she has any difficulty or is just not a good mother who enjoys her puppies ,then she won`t be bred again.NO bitches are bred and bred;the difference between show breeding and "just breeding" is that each litter should advance the quality,improve on the mother..show-wise. There are roughly five "threads" of my breed line,each is valued and we try and improve each one,crossing into one with another,called line breeding,ALL of it health screened,This is the whole point of dog breeding in my opinion,it is worlds away from churning out commercial litters for sale.
Today we had a Norwegian ,Bard, come to see my mini bull puppies,he said he had never seen such fit and obviously extremely happy dogs with so much space to run in,that somewhat amazed me,some breeders dogs must be so deprived,not how it should be,is it?
 
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CaveCanem said:
TBH I am uncomfortable with a dog doing it's best and putting pups on the ground and earning money for a human and then being rehomed when it is no longer providing that service. Just my opinion.
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^^^^ This.

I have two rescue bullmastiiff girls who, once bred from were discarded after being useful ie producing money for someone.

I'm not saying EK isn't responsible as to where her dogs go but in the main I hate people making money from animals when they don't secure a solid future for them. A lot of breeding bitches are kept in kennels and have no idea about ' pet' life and as such are un housetrained, un socialised in the home etc etc and not only are rescues trying to find homes which is hard enough they are trying to find homes prepared to do basic training.

My girls are fab and I'd recommend giving a home to a rescue anyday.

I really think that anyone who breeds a litter should give a % to animal welfare and I don't think people should rely on breeding as their sole and only income. A dog should have one litter only if at all and then join the family as a pet for the rest of her natural life.
 
I don't think you can compare how EK rehomes her bitches with how puppy farmers and bybs bitches end up in rescue. The whole problem is this term breeder encompasses everyone from the breeder dedicated to their breed to the puppy farmer churning out sickly pups, I wish their was some way of making a distinction between the two.
I think you will find a lot of breeders do support rescues in many ways, but unfortunately some rescues are so anti all breeders, and slag them off at every opportunity, which does not help at all. :(
 
It rather sounds like a lot of posters are against breeders full stop and I don't agree with that. Someone who is responsible and puts time and effort into breeding a good specimen of the breed is entirely different from someone who just pushes out puppies for a quick profit. I would like to see breeding regulated i.e licensed. Yes I know its low down in the list of priorities etc etc but if breeding your dog was illegal unless you and your dog had passed certain criteria (health tests etc) then that would immediately start to really help. I am never in favour of a big brother approach but having 3 rescue dogs means I am even more against the huge number of dogs dumped on rescue or PTS without having a chance.

One day I really hope to be able to go to a good breeder, buy a stafford pup of good stock, no health issues, no character challenges and enjoy my dog from puppy all the way through. However until the number of staffords in rescue actually decreases I shall carry on having rescues.
 
CaveCanem said:
TBH I am uncomfortable with a dog doing it's best and putting pups on the ground and earning money for a human and then being rehomed when it is no longer providing that service. Just my opinion.
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Yep me too. Which is why I hate the racing industry, horse earning human money until its not anymore. Being rehomed when its no longer providing that service. Of worse being distroyed is just the same as the dog situation.

This society of disposable animals needs regulating.
 
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Er, I am not anti-responsible breeding, all of our dogs have come from breeders (albeit not as baby puppies, usually showring rejects :p) my current pup was bought from his first home at 14 weeks, and I did buy him for his lines (both parents have competed internationally), his genetics, the health tests and working qualifications put on his relatives. No offence, but that is something I could not get in a dog from a pound or a shelter in the UK unless I was incredibly lucky.
Neither would I have got these things from a backyard or farmed puppy - although ironically looking at the for sale ads, I would have paid more.
This was his mothers first and probably only litter.
 
MurphysMinder said:
I don't think you can compare how EK rehomes her bitches with how puppy farmers and bybs bitches end up in rescue. The whole problem is this term breeder encompasses everyone from the breeder dedicated to their breed to the puppy farmer churning out sickly pups, I wish their was some way of making a distinction between the two.
I think you will find a lot of breeders do support rescues in many ways, but unfortunately some rescues are so anti all breeders, and slag them off at every opportunity, which does not help at all. :(
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I am totally focused on my mini and bull terriers,and have been for forty years.Always done my bit for welfare of any of this breed,not just my own.There is a vast difference between me and my sort of dog breeder and the usual" breed purely for profit" types.Different species in fact!
Indeed,let`s just say that my exploits with rescuing have earned me the right to ALF membership..front line.So,I have risked the law in order to get bull terriers out of very bad situations.Yes ,would do it again,as I hope ALL of you would do so as well. I never was one to just mutter about ill treatment,more a" go in there and sort it sort of person."
ALL of my puppies and adults are tattooed and remain my concern until they die,that is how all breeders should be,sadly most are not. BUT

Don`t put us all in the same boat,there are lots of true breed devotees like me out there breeding healthy dogs and fussy about who they sell to.If I am honest ,even with the great life my girls have,a family all to themselves is always better,and if at anytime things go wrong..then their safety net is right there..me! As my girls are kept in clean big kennels with outside runs plus free running on the fields they always are immediately house clean in their new homes,it surprises people but it is fact.
No bull terrier in need ever gets passed by by me and my Welfare associates ask Lucy! If you are not familiar with her story go onto : badlesmereterriers... she is still well and happy after four years with me after her appalling ordeal,when bullies with her illness usually only survive six months.
There are many many in various breeds just the same as myself!!
 
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