SatansLittleHelper
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Is it feasible that a 2 year old Sec D standing at 15.1hh currently would make over 16hh..?? Pure registered Sec D, recently gelded.
Height of a Sec D.??
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thewonderhorse
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Yes I would say so.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Possible, yes, but I have known many 2yo's that haven't grown at all.
Greylegs
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I had one which was a full up 15.3 at 4 and made 16 by the time I sold him at 6. No expert but I guess it's all about bloodlines. He was by a big stallion ...
Chunkie
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I would have thought so, yes. Three of mine grew an inch between 5 and 6.
My current one was 15.1 when I bought him as a 4yo and is now 15.3 at 6. Looked at him this morning after having to stretch to reach the top of his bum and realised that he's bum high again!
My current one was 15.1 when I bought him as a 4yo and is now 15.3 at 6. Looked at him this morning after having to stretch to reach the top of his bum and realised that he's bum high again!
_GG_
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Perfectly feasible. But it is also feasible that not much more growing will occur from this point.
_GG_
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Perfectly feasible. But it is also feasible that not much more growing will occur from this point.
twiggy2
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i find it so sad that the height restriction was lifted, why did they not just create a new welsh E over the max height for a D?
soulfull
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Yes as others say it could go either way. I've known a couple of 16.1 16.2 pure welshies
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gembear
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wow, i'd like to see that.
blitznbobs
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I owned a 16.1 one once... I'll see if I can scan some photos (pre digital age!)
gembear
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that would be fab! never seen one that big.
Echo Bravo
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If they stand over 15hh-15.3hh surely they are no longer cobs of the true Welsh breeding, my Welsh Sec D stands at 14hh and his pedigree goes back many many years on both sides.
Madali
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I have two 16.1 welsh D mares. both Maesmynach with pure breeding as far back as the passport goes.
cambrica
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I bought my Sec D as a three year old (well 2 1/2), he is now 5 and hasn't grown much at all, remains at 14.2hh but a string test says he should make 14.3hh.
The only problem with the larger Sec D's I feel is that they lose their pony characteristics which are the fundamental essence of a true to type Welsh cob. However, if thats not so important then you still have the makings of a fantastic all rounder!
The only problem with the larger Sec D's I feel is that they lose their pony characteristics which are the fundamental essence of a true to type Welsh cob. However, if thats not so important then you still have the makings of a fantastic all rounder!
PollyP99
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Why does it make you sad? Just seems a strange reaction to a few inches, many things in life make me sad but a fine looking substantial d would not be one them.
I saw a beaut just thus weekend gone, stood 16 hands but still had the all the characteristics and walked away with the champion section d class, well deserved.
twiggy2
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because a breed standard is a breed standard and I don't think it should be changed for fashion or trend
I have no problem with creating a new welsh as stated but moving the boundaries I don't get
pec
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Strange that people think that traditional Welsh Cobs are on the small side. According to Dr Wynne Jones, Cardigan Comet III (foaled 1880) was 15 hands 3 inches and Cardigan Comet IV (foaled 1885) was 16 hands. At the 1905 WPCS AGM the general feeling of the meeting was a regret that the upper height limit was instigated when the stud book was established in 1902 and the motion was therefore carried to abolish the upper height limit. So in fact the upper height limit was only in place for 3 years. Traditional cobs therefore have historically been all heights.
Interestingly while I aim to breed cobs at around 14hands 2 inched to 15 hands, the most successful cob we have bred (Nantwood Solomon) stands over 15 hands.
cambrica
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I may be completely wrong (and probably am!) but I thought Cardigan Comet III was a Hackney?
Ladyinred
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We have a Sec D over 16hh. If I hadn't fallen out with photobucket I would show you his pic... he doesn't have the best conformation but he is still very obviously a SecD.
pec
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I am quoting from Dr Wynne's book The Welsh Cob 'We see from early stud cards that many Welsh Cob stallions of pre Stud Book times were over 15 hands 2 in - for example, Cardigan Comet III (foaled 1880) was 15 hands 3 in.....'
I think part of the problem is that at that stage the Welsh Cob was not really a breed but a type with the farmers crossing amongst others Hackneys, Norfolk trotters Arabs and Yorkshire Coach horses. The 'breed' was only established when the stud book was set up.
mulledwhine
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Tern
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I knew a 16.2 gelding what a lovely chap he was.
If you mean being a little b*gger then no this one was still cheeky as ever - let himself out of his stable if you forgot the kick bolt, tried every trick in the book to get out of something..
If you mean being a little b*gger then no this one was still cheeky as ever - let himself out of his stable if you forgot the kick bolt, tried every trick in the book to get out of something..
cambrica
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I knew a 16.2 gelding what a lovely chap he was.
If you mean being a little b*gger then no this one was still cheeky as ever - let himself out of his stable if you forgot the kick bolt, tried every trick in the book to get out of something..
LOL! Tell me about it! mine also managed to let the Welsh sec A out of her stable, twice. The first time we blamed my daughter!
pec
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I hope these are pictures of Solomon as a three year old, he was approx 15hands then. Welsh Cob?
cambrica
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Thats true, also fascinating and I could spend hours going back along different lines to the 1700's where you find Thoroughbreds and Godolphin (sp?) the Arab stallion. I was also talking to a couple of chaps who work with PRE's and train in classical dressage and we were likening the similarities between them and Welsh cob's - having that spanish influence.
15.2 or 15.3 is and always has been acceptable I think but going beyond 16 hh, although without doubt, a superb animal and a potentially formidable competition horse, I can't say that it could be characterised as a 'pony'. Although as Tern has pointed out, they never lose that cheekiness
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cambrica
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I hope these are pictures of Solomon as a three year old, he was approx 15hands then. Welsh Cob?
I know I've said it before but he is just utterly gorgeous!
pec
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Thanks Cambrica, he has qualified for RIHS, won a medal in hand as a gelding, and finished in the top 10 in the last 4 HOYS qualifiers he has entered. Although we sold him we are still interested in what he is doing. He will be at the Royal Welsh this year and I can't wait to see him.
I've also entered his son who is a real compact pocket rocket in the two year old colt class.
justabob
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There is no height limit to sec Ds. Welsh sec Ds of old were much bigger and went back to the roadsters (shales). People think that they lose *type* as bigger horses, I don't think that they do. The big stallions are good to cross with TBs to breed welsh sport horses that are versatile and have scope to be good competition horses. Some sec Ds are now just slightly bigger sec Cs. Our stallion stood at 16.1 and bred some lovely very typey secD foals, and some very good sport horses that evented.